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Sex/nudity on TV for Children

 
 
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 06:45 am
Chumly wrote:


"Violence is much more acceptable than nudity"


The sad but true reality.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 06:56 am
Regardless of one's views on sexual censorship, it would be hard to argue that violence is better than sex.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 07:02 am
Absolutly.

I, for one, believe that sex and nudity is natural.

We came into this world naked; it can't be wrong.

The touble comes when the body is objectified rather than revered for it's beauty. Which is what happens when the nude body is posed in sexual ways all over the place (read, on billboards next to the highway) and nudity is used to sell.
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Shirakawasuna
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 08:31 am
When I took a trip to Germany there were (*gasp*!) nekkid boobies in the magazines and on television. And yet society hadn't fallen apart and people seemed to be pretty happy.

A sign of the apocalypse?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 09:38 am
In many of our gyms, we have gender-desegregated our saunas too. I miss those here in America.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 03:53 pm
Shirakawasuna wrote:
When I took a trip to Germany there were (*gasp*!) nekkid boobies in the magazines and on television. And yet society hadn't fallen apart and people seemed to be pretty happy.

A sign of the apocalypse?


I think it is a reflection of Europe being about two generations ahead of us into the post Christian era. We seem to be about where Europe was around 1940, more than a few still go to a Church but it means very little in their lives.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2008 10:29 pm
Chumly wrote:
The fact that the popular North American media has plenty of violence and little nudity clearly speaks this:

"Violence is much more acceptable than nudity"

You could go to the beach and watch the film "Hamburger Hill" or "Reservoir Dogs" or "Silence of the Lambs" on a portable TV, in clear view all others, and not be in violation of the law.

But neither male nor female can expose genitals or anus, and

a woman cannot expose her nipples without breaking the law.

In my jurisdiction, NY State,
that is no longer the law.


80 N.Y.2d 875
600 N.E.2d 232

The PEOPLE of the State of New York, Respondent,
v.
Ramona SANTORELLI and Mary Lou Schloss (1992)
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2008 10:38 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
agrote wrote:
Some good points made. I think censorship of the female nipple is the most worrying thing... that seems to be a clear case of sexism. Men have them too, but we're allowed to show ours. The only significant difference between them is that we don't feed infants with ours and they probably aren't quite as attractive. So the female nipple is more useful and more beautiful, and it's illegal not to cover it up. It's bad that Muslim women are often made to cover all of their skin, but we musn't forget that things aren't perfect in the West.


Here in the state of Texas,

a woman can legally go topless.

Well.. at least in Travis county.

The state of Texas is its own frikkin country with some really ass backwards people in it.
To see that this law is in effect, and not disputed is odd here.

Do thay EXERCISE that right there ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2008 10:54 pm
boomerang wrote:
I'm pretty open minded but seriously,
how does nudity advance the story line in any child appropriate story?

Your point is that IN ORDER TO ADVANCE THE STORY LINE,
nudity shud be avoided in a child appropriate story ?


The founding question of this thread was:

Quote:
" Is there any ethical reason whatsoever why sex, or at least full frontal nudity,
should not appear on TV, completely uncensored, at any time of the day,
available even for children to see?

I can't think of any reasons. Please give details. "


I surmise that this asks what harm will result to children
if thay see nudity or sexuality ? Will thay break a leg ? or go bald ?
or lose their memories ? or WHAT ??

I am under the impression that many parents
believe that something bad will happen to their child if he sees sex or nudity.

I don 't know specifically what it is that thay fear.
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aidan
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 05:01 am
Laughing Laughing break a leg or go bald...funny David.

I don't have any worries about nudity with my children - and never have. When they were little, I'd hop in the bathtub with them (one at a time - there wasn't room for me with both of them) just to save water and time.

This was ENTIRELY different from how my mom approached the issue with me (and the rest of my siblings). I actually have never seen my mother naked - in fact I've only ever seen her in a slip (do men know what that is- what women wear under dresses so you can't see through the dress). She was EXTREMELY modest - but even having been raised like that with her, I was different.

My daughter is more like my mother. When she was three years old and I bought her a two piece bathing suit - she'd only wear it with a shirt over it (in the water and everything) to cover her belly. Now - she didn't get this from me - I was the one who was bathing naked with her and sitting beside her in the pool with my two piece with no shirt over it.

Everyone is different in terms of this - inherently to some extent - I believe. Everyone has a different comfort level whether with their own level of comfort being nude as well as their level of comfort seeing someone else nude. I don't ask my daughter to strip in front of me because I know it would make her uncomfortable. But I'll change clothes in front of her and if it makes her uncomfortable, she can go in another room. But I won't call her repressed if she does - that's just her- I don't have to label her negatively for being different from me.

Sex on tv - I think it's a mistake...I've never seen a pornographic movie that didn't make me laugh- seriously. It always looks very mechanical and not very creative and fun. I'd like my kids to discover what works for them without these imposed images of what they should be doing or what it might be like. Who can say what it should or will be for them - let them do what comes naturally to them and discover and express themselves in terms of love and affection and sex.
That seems the healthiest to me.

David - if you want to see a topless beach-go to Miami beach. But as my son said, 'None of the young girls are topless - it's all the old ladies'. He was pretty disappointed with it. Laughing
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 07:35 am
Bella Dea wrote:
Chumly wrote:


"Violence is much more acceptable than nudity"


The sad but true reality.

AGREED
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 07:39 am
One thing about violent entertainment, tho,
if I may play the devil 's advocate for a moment:
it may well be cathartic. It might purge negative emotions.



Some may disagree and allege that it stimulates them.
Maybe it stimulates them and then purges them.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 08:12 am
aidan wrote:
Laughing Laughing break a leg or go bald...funny David.

I don't have any worries about nudity with my children - and never have. When they were little, I'd hop in the bathtub with them (one at a time - there wasn't room for me with both of them) just to save water and time.

This was ENTIRELY different from how my mom approached the issue with me (and the rest of my siblings). I actually have never seen my mother naked - in fact I've only ever seen her in a slip (do men know what that is- what women wear under dresses so you can't see through the dress). She was EXTREMELY modest - but even having been raised like that with her, I was different.

My daughter is more like my mother. When she was three years old and I bought her a two piece bathing suit - she'd only wear it with a shirt over it (in the water and everything) to cover her belly. Now - she didn't get this from me - I was the one who was bathing naked with her and sitting beside her in the pool with my two piece with no shirt over it.

Everyone is different in terms of this - inherently to some extent - I believe. Everyone has a different comfort level whether with their own level of comfort being nude as well as their level of comfort seeing someone else nude. I don't ask my daughter to strip in front of me because I know it would make her uncomfortable. But I'll change clothes in front of her and if it makes her uncomfortable, she can go in another room. But I won't call her repressed if she does - that's just her- I don't have to label her negatively for being different from me.

Sex on tv - I think it's a mistake...I've never seen a pornographic movie that didn't make me laugh- seriously. It always looks very mechanical and not very creative and fun. I'd like my kids to discover what works for them without these imposed images of what they should be doing or what it might be like. Who can say what it should or will be for them - let them do what comes naturally to them and discover and express themselves in terms of love and affection and sex.
That seems the healthiest to me.

David - if you want to see a topless beach-go to Miami beach. But as my son said, 'None of the young girls are topless - it's all the old ladies'. He was pretty disappointed with it. Laughing

I must agree with your expressed point of vu, Rebecca.

I am deeply curious as to the inherent, innate differences of filosofy
and of psychology that results in these different preferences.
R thay from past pre-incarnate subconscious memories ? WHAT ??

The founder of this thread raises some interesting questions.
It is a FACT than many, many parents have fierce anti-sexual and anti-nudity emotions
concerning censorship being imposed upon their children.

I 've seen people who simply inquire as to the parents' reasoning
be accused by a fiercely angry parent of being a pervert for not knowing
the answer to such a question, without asking.

If the FCC, in a spirit of freedom repealed anti-nudity rules for TV,
there 'd be SHRIEKS of enraged indignation.
It already happened with the Janet Jackson thing.

I read of semi-hysterical parents calling the police on little 5 year old
children who were so injudicious as to play "doctor"
with the child of that parent, calling the offender a pervert.

Presumably, thay wanted the 5 year old criminal to be dragged away in chains.

I am very curious as to what danger thay perceive ?
If the kid were offering heroin, then I cud understand,
but we have never been told what the danger from nudity is. Getting cold ?
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 08:04 am
David wrote:
Quote:
I am very curious as to what danger thay perceive ?
If the kid were offering heroin, then I cud understand,
but we have never been told what the danger from nudity is. Getting cold ?


Laughing Yeah, who knows? I don't think that's it though (getting cold- you're so literal sometimes David- but funny). Although with my daughter - yeah- you know maybe that's it - as you know we adopted her and her birth mother did not have enough iron prenatally - so Olivia has low iron stores which negatively impact her body's ability to regulate its temperature - so she often IS cold - when those of us with normal iron stores feel comfortable - and she's thin as well - not a lot of insulating body fat so... Laughing just messing with you David (although all of that is true).
But no, I think she's just modest- as a mechanism of her particular personality - I don't think it has anything to do with a past life or anything.

In terms of other parents - I don't know what to tell you. I think it's a very individual thing and that each parent knows his or her child the best (you would hope) and knows what that child can or cannot process and understand comfortably at what age or point in their development.

In terms of indiscriminately showing sex (as in sex without love or commitment or even (most importantly to me) AFFECTION) yeah, it bothers even me to see it at my age BECAUSE it cheapens it. It makes it so much less special than I know it can be and do I want my children to view it as simply some everyday run of the mill, throw away commodity? No, I want them to view it as something valuable and
worthwhile and more special than reading the comics or having a cup of coffee which is something every one can do with everyone else.
And I'd like them to have enough respect for themselves and their partners that they keep it private - and will they develop that concept by watching strangers ******* strangers on tv every single minute of every single day?
I don't think so.

That's only my opinion though.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 08:47 am
I like being naked.

Just not on tv.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 09:28 am
aidan wrote:
David wrote:
Quote:
I am very curious as to what danger thay perceive ?
If the kid were offering heroin, then I cud understand,
but we have never been told what the danger from nudity is. Getting cold ?


Laughing Yeah, who knows?
I don't think that's it though (getting cold- you're so literal sometimes David- but funny).

I 've been accused of that b4.



Quote:
Although with my daughter - yeah- you know maybe that's it - as you know we adopted her and her birth mother did not have enough iron prenatally - so Olivia has low iron stores which negatively impact her body's ability to regulate its temperature - so she often IS cold - when those of us with normal iron stores feel comfortable - and she's thin as well - not a lot of insulating body fat so... Laughing
just messing with you David (although all of that is true).

She may be safer n less influenced by magnets.
Probably can use a compass better.





Quote:

But no, I think she's just modest- as a mechanism of her particular personality -
I don't think it has anything to do with a past life or anything.

In terms of other parents - I don't know what to tell you.
I think it's a very individual thing and that each parent knows his or her
child the best (you would hope) and knows what that child can or cannot
process and understand comfortably at what age or point in their development.

What is modesty made out of ?
In the sense of not being boastful, I can understand it.
I feel a need to be able to logically explain anything n everything.
It burns me that I do not understand.
Sometimes, I have wished that I cud unscrew some guy 's cerebral vault
and look down into his brain to c what is going on in there.

Its as if people's emotions r spring-loaded, at birth.
For instance, Jane, an ex-girlfriend of mine,
strongly supports freedom of abortion (as I do), whereas in early
childhood her son expressed fiercely passionate objection to it.




Quote:

In terms of indiscriminately showing sex (as in sex without love or commitment
or even (most importantly to me) AFFECTION) yeah, it bothers even me
to see it at my age BECAUSE it cheapens it. It makes it so much less special
than I know it can be and do I want my children to view it as simply some
everyday run of the mill, throw away commodity?
No, I want them to view it as something valuable and
worthwhile and more special than reading the comics or having a cup of coffee
which is something every one can do with everyone else.

By that reasoning,
do advocate a legal prohibition against kissing on TV or in movies,
so that kissing will be special ?

If your answer is negative,
will u describe by what reasoning u have arrived at that distinction ?



Quote:

And I'd like them to have enough respect for themselves and their partners
that they keep it private - and will they develop that concept by watching
strangers **** strangers on tv every single minute of every single day?
I don't think so.

That's only my opinion though.

OK; as a thought experiment,
let 's try this: I know someone who took his girlfriend to an orgy place.
It was called "Plato's Retreat." (since closed by the IRS.)
Therein, its customers were happily humping away.
Did thay have insufficient respect for themselves n their partners ?

If your husband invited u there ?




Did u reply to my earlier correspondence, Rebecca ?
A few weeks ago ?
I was interested in some of your opinions
that were therein solicited.


David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 09:34 am
Bella Dea wrote:
I like being naked.

Just not on tv.

Do u get dressed when friends come over ?

Did u go to India ? (I went there in 1984.)

I like your member description,
but I disagree that anyone has to die.




David
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 09:51 am
Have you figured out a way to live forever?
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 10:05 am
Quote:
Quote:
Although with my daughter - yeah- you know maybe that's it - as you know we adopted her and her birth mother did not have enough iron prenatally - so Olivia has low iron stores which negatively impact her body's ability to regulate its temperature - so she often IS cold - when those of us with normal iron stores feel comfortable - and she's thin as well - not a lot of insulating body fat so... Laughing
just messing with you David (although all of that is true).

She may be safer n less influenced by magnets.
Probably can use a compass better.

Laughing Laughing


Quote:
What is modesty made out of ?
In the sense of not being boastful, I can understand it.
I feel a need to be able to logically explain anything n everything.
It burns me that I do not understand.
Sometimes, I have wished that I cud unscrew some guy 's cerebral vault
and look down into his brain to c what is going on in there.

Its as if people's emotions r spring-loaded, at birth.
For instance, Jane, an ex-girlfriend of mine,
strongly supports freedom of abortion (as I do), whereas in early
childhood her son expressed fiercely passionate objection to it.

Yes, I know what you mean...my son passionately believes in God, and my daughter, raised from infancy in the exact same environment by the same people isn't sure.

I think her physical modesty is an expression of her basic shyness. She is shy around people, although, again- somewhat paradoxically- she loves to perform (sing, etc.). All of that is very interesting.
Quote:

Quote:

In terms of indiscriminately showing sex (as in sex without love or commitment
or even (most importantly to me) AFFECTION) yeah, it bothers even me
to see it at my age BECAUSE it cheapens it. It makes it so much less special
than I know it can be and do I want my children to view it as simply some
everyday run of the mill, throw away commodity?
No, I want them to view it as something valuable and
worthwhile and more special than reading the comics or having a cup of coffee
which is something every one can do with everyone else.

By that reasoning,
do advocate a legal prohibition against kissing on TV or in movies,
so that kissing will be special ?

Laughing

Quote:
If your answer is negative,
will u describe by what reasoning u have arrived at that distinction ?

Kissing doesn't connote quite the investment of self that intercourse does David (at least not to me). I guess that's where I'd draw the distinction.

Quote:
OK; as a thought experiment,
let 's try this: I know someone who took his girlfriend to an orgy place.
It was called "Plato's Retreat." (since closed by the IRS.)
Therein, its customers were happily humping away.
Did thay have insufficient respect for themselves n their partners ?

If your husband invited u there ?


Laughing Laughing Holy God David - I am laughing so hard right now trying to picture the man that I married inviting me someplace like Plato's retreat. Not really in the realm of possibility - although as our relationship has evolved into its present state we respect and know each other well enough to allow each other (as truly best friends and partners in parenting our children) the right to make our own decisions.

So, I don't think I'd be prohibited from going if I wanted to and I certainly wouldn't prohibit him from going if he wanted to. But neither of us is the type of person who would ever want to do that- with each other or anyone else.
Because neither of us is promiscuous or an exhibitionist- and I think that's what adherence to or an interest in a sexual philosophy that included Plato's retreat would require.
And I'm not being judgmental - I'm just recognizing that different people have different aspects to their personality that would either lend itself to being interested in and enjoying something like that or wouldn't.

I don't like watching other people have sex. And I really can't imagine liking having sex with more than one person at a time.

And just for the record - I do NOT have and never have had an open marriage- but marriage has been hard for us - we're both very independent and drift in and out of separateness emotionally - although at this point we know each other so well that that's not the sticking point it used to be- and I think we do both trust each other and like each other enought to forego all the side issues and just allow each other to be who we need to be.
We're not divorced because neither of us has been interested in pursuing that or being with anyone else.

It's become the perfect relationship for someone like me who was never enamored of the idea of marriage to begin with - not because I didn't like the idea of monogamy or exclusivity concerning sex - because in all actuality monogamy to a partner DOES go along with my personality anyway- I've never been interested in 'sleeping around'- but marriage is a difficult concept for me because to me it's always represented a distinct narrowing of possibilities for my life. A sort of constriction.

But it worked out, because the person I married feels pretty much the same. He's always been interested in pursuing the possibilities of his career. So we just work together on being great friends and taking care of our children. I like it.

Interesting 'thought experiment'!





Quote:
Did u reply to my earlier correspondence, Rebecca ?
A few weeks ago ?
I was interested in some of your opinions
that were therein solicited.

okay - I have a day off so I will.


David[/quote]
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 01:26 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Have you figured out a way to live forever?

Yes.
Its automatic.
It appears that the Law of the Conservation of Energy applies to conscious life
and that death applies only to human bodies.

Maybe compare it to the cocoon from whic a butterfly springs ?

www.IANDS.org

I have had a few out-of-body-experiences,
so its not hard to me to accept that the part of me that was out
of my human body just leaves it, when it has worn out.

I like the way that Deepak Chopra, M.D. put it (parafrasing, here):
tho people think that we are human beings with occasion spiritual experiences,
we are actually spiritual beings with occasional human experiences.

With astrophysicists n mathematicians telling us that 96% of the universe
is missing, consisting of "dark matter" or of "dark energy" of which we have no hint,
except for their gravitational effects,
I can conceive of our spirits consisting of one of them.

David
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