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Indictment and Trial of Bush and Cheney

 
 
Reply Sat 24 May, 2008 11:55 am
Indictment and Trial of Bush and Cheney
David Swanson

May 24, 2008
Remarks made on May 24, 2008, in Radford, Va., at the Building a New World Conference: http://www.wpaconference.org

In a December 31, 2007, editorial, the New York Times faulted the current president and vice president of the United States for kidnapping innocent people, denying justice to prisoners, torturing, murdering, circumventing U.S. and international law, spying in violation of the Fourth Amendment, and basing their actions on "imperial fantasies." If the editorial had been about Bush and Cheney robbing a liquor store or killing a small number of people or robbing a small amount of money or torturing a single child, then the writers at the New York Times would have demanded immediate prosecution and incarceration. Can you guess what they actually demanded? They demanded that we sit back and hope the next president and vice president will be better. The speech. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/62876 "The National Lawyers Guild is urging Congress to appoint a special prosecutor, independent of the Justice Department, to "investigate and prosecute high Bush officials and lawyers including John Yoo for their role in the torture of prisoners in U.S. custody."

The Guild's new 14-page paper explains how lawyers, including Yoo, Jay Bybee, David Addington, and William Haynes, counseled the White House on how to get away with war crimes. The lawyers said that the Department of Justice would not enforce federal laws against torture, maiming, assault and stalking.

Guild President Marjorie Cohn recently testified in Congress that it was "reasonably foreseeable" the lawyers' advice "would result in great physical and mental harm or death to many detainees"; more than 100 have died, many from torture. Torture, like genocide, slavery and wars of aggression, is absolutely prohibited at all times. No country can ever pass a law that would allow them.

Cohn testified that Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Tenet, Ashcroft, and Bush are liable under the War Crimes Act and the Torture Statute.

Congress could appoint a special prosecutor or begin impeachments or use inherent contempt (that is, the Capitol Police) to compel testimony. But it will only act if forced to by us."
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2008 11:59 am
Forced by us, Americans? Well then there scott free and thats why they knew they could get away with it. We aint forcing anybody in the government to do anything.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2008 12:13 pm
Amigo, could be. Chances of apathy giving way to activism are slim. Surely if McCain becomes President Bushie is safe. But there does seem to be a whole bunch of highly educated and somewhat powerful people working on this. And after all the evidence of Bushie's war crimes is abundant. Maybe Obama's constituancy will be active enough to seek justice in the same way Bushie's was rabid enough to create injustice.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2008 12:51 pm
If the scale tips, if Rove gets contempt, if Obama gets in and American activist increase the pressure, if you could get the flock to walk in a different direction maybe something could happen. But from what I've seen I'm not getting my hopes up.

If this type of thing came close to happening history tells that insidious forces will once again kick in.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2008 01:01 pm
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2008 11:13 pm
Amigo wrote:
If the scale tips, if Rove gets contempt, if Obama gets in and American activist increase the pressure, if you could get the flock to walk in a different direction maybe something could happen. But from what I've seen I'm not getting my hopes up.

If this type of thing came close to happening history tells that insidious forces will once again kick in.


Why doesn't Obama make indicting Bush and Cheney one of his campaign promises?

He should run this front and center if he is for it, and if he will appoint people that will make it happen.

Why doesn't he?
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2008 05:26 am
If he really had hopes of indicting them, he's saavy enough to know that its too volatile to expose during the election season - it'd give those crying "Obama's too radical" too much red meat. Duhh....?
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2008 06:55 am
So he'd try to cover it up?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2008 07:06 am
This is as far as Obama is likely to go during the campaign. "Obama would ask his AG to "immediately review" potential of crimes in Bush White House" link
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2008 07:07 am
screw the trial, let's get straight to the executions, less hassle that way
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2008 07:34 am
real life wrote:
So he'd try to cover it up?


If he actually wants to indict them, don't you think he knows that getting that opportunity would be hurt by broadcasting it during the election?

You want to go on and make your point that this would prove Obama is just another politician? It's so tiresome...
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 10:07 am
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 08:41 pm
State and Local Prosecutors Can Take Down Bush

by David Swanson Page 1 of 1 page(s)

Former prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi's new book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder" is not just a particularly good addition to the ten-foot high stack of rants against Bush's crimes and abuses of power. It's also an argument that state and local prosecutors have the necessary jurisdiction to try Bush for murder and for conspiracy to commit murder, at least once he's out of office. link
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 08:53 pm
Oh man, that would be awsome. I'm going to pray for it.
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