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How Important Is Iraq? Just Think Of It As World War IV

 
 
Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 09:26 am
How Important Is Iraq? Just Think Of It As World War IV
By Jonathan Rauch, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Friday, Sept. 5, 2003

In Iraq, it appears, the United States is in for a long trial. Baathists and Islamists, bitter enemies in other contexts, have found common cause against the American occupation. In the wake of devastating bombing attacks on the United Nations' Baghdad headquarters and, in Najaf, on Iraq's holiest Shiite shrine, Western intelligence has grown increasingly confident that America faces not only remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime and local Islamic extremists but also a sizable influx of outside jihadis, for whom Iraq has become a magnet.

From the Islamists' point of view, this is a life-or-death struggle. America must fail in Iraq.

Then there is Afghanistan, where Taliban forces are mounting an organized, if still only sporadically effective, offensive in the south and east. The New York Times recently quoted an unnamed senior Western diplomat on the Taliban's strategy to turn its weakness into strength among the local population: "The mantra they use is that the Americans and the international community will leave someday, and we will come back."

Then there is Palestine, where hopes for any sort of progress toward peace or even toward calm have taken another beating. Although the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon could have done more to implement the so-called road map (an American-led peace effort), a more fundamental problem seems to be that both Yasir Arafat and Hamas want the moderate leadership of Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas to fail. To help him fail, militants blew up a bus full of Israeli civilians, detonating the road map's fragile cease-fire along with it.

After two years of embroilment against terrorists and thugs in three theaters, Americans are not yet weary but are increasingly wary. President Bush's approval ratings have softened, the Democrats are on his case for doing both too much and too little, and a July ABC News/Washington Post poll found 80 percent of the public saying they were "very" or "somewhat concerned" about the possibility that America will get "bogged down" in Iraq. (The plurality, 43 percent, said "very concerned.") A pointed cartoon in The Economist shows Bush in a tank, stuck in a muddy sinkhole. "We will not retreat!" Bush is saying. Sitting behind him, an anxious Uncle Sam says, "OK... but will we advance?"

A reasonable question, but one that can only be properly answered in a broader context. The engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan and (to a lesser extent) Palestine are all parts of a larger engagement that may last more like 40 years than four, and that any Democratic successor to Bush would find himself equally compelled to fight, even if not in exactly the same way. Is this engagement important? Just think of it as World War IV.

Philip Bobbitt, a University of Texas law professor and the author of last year's book The Shield of Achilles: War, Peace, and the Course of History, conceives of World War I, World War II, and the Cold War not as discrete events but as phases in a single protracted conflict -- what he calls the Long War. How so? All were "constitutional" struggles, in which liberal democracy faced down a series of challengers for the right to govern. World War I brought an end to the dynastic empires but did not settle the question of what form of rule would succeed them. First fascism and then Communism staked their claims, and defeating them took until 1991. That left liberal democracy triumphant. The great constitutional conflict was settled.

Only -- this is me now, not Bobbitt -- it was not settled. Away on the horizon, at first seeming too weak and eccentric to worry about, Islamic totalitarianism ("Islamism") was preparing its own challenge. Quite distinct from Islam as a religion, Islamism proposed a system of government that had imperial aspirations and that sought to abolish the private sphere and secular politics. First in Iran in 1979, then in Afghanistan a decade later, it showed it could defeat a modern secular state. It began to dream of driving "crusaders" and Jews and secularism out of all the Islamic lands, and even perhaps out of America.

As totalitarian ideologies go, militant Islamism is not one of the most appealing. It preaches asceticism, repression, and isolation. As a social system, it is largely parasitic, better at buying technology than inventing it, able to destroy with skill but much less adept at building. Its main allure is that, for many people living under the thumb of regimes that are authoritarian, incompetent, and corrupt, Islamism seems to offer the only hope of a passably honest, passably efficient alternative.

Ayatollah Khomeini's revolutionary Iranian regime, although repressive, at least seemed to root its repression in principles other than merely retaining power. The Taliban managed to impose order on Afghanistan. Hamas runs social service operations that win admiration from Palestinians who view the secular authorities as intractably crooked. In Egypt, Algeria, Pakistan, and elsewhere, many ordinary people regard Islamism as the only way out and up.

For 50 years, America was complicit in presenting the Arab world with a false choice between corrupt authoritarianism and militant Islamism. Worse, the United States took the side of corrupt authoritarianism. In that limited sense, America was complicit in the rise of militant Islamism. But secular authoritarianism turned out to mean Assad's Syria, el-Qaddafi's Libya, and Saddam's Iraq, all of them dangerous to their own regions and to American interests.

What does any of this have to do with Iraq? I don't believe the Bush administration went to war in Iraq on a "neoconservative" mission to reorder the whole Arab world, although it certainly hoped for favorable side effects. I think the administration went to war because it believed that leaving Saddam and his sons in power for another 10 or 20 or 30 years -- with the U.S.-led containment effort already in tatters -- would be untenable and irresponsible. I think the administration believed that with 9/11 memories fading and a presidential election coming up, the chance to get rid of Saddam might never come again. So the administration took the chance.

In Iraq, what was a war of choice has now become a postwar of necessity. The jihadis filtering into Iraq perceive this even if some Americans do not. If the United States succeeds in proving that there is a liberal, moderate alternative to both the Baath Party and militant Islamism, the Islamists' false choice is exposed. The establishment of a reasonably competent, honest, and stable government in Iraq would be a staggering blow to the appeal of political Islam worldwide.

From the Islamists' point of view, this is a life-or-death struggle. America must fail in Iraq. Ideally, America should also fail to establish a competent, honest, stable Palestinian state, and a competent, honest, stable Afghan state. But Iraq is the big one. From the jihadis' point of view, a victory over America in Iraq -- meaning the Americans go home without having managed to set up a viable, moderate government -- would be a twofer. American prestige and power would be wounded, and the false choice between Islamism and corrupt secular tyranny would be confirmed. "You see?" the Islamists would say. "It really is just us or the devil. The Americans won't stay and can't win."

What America is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and Palestine is best thought of not as nation building but as alternative building. It's hard. In the Cold War, the democracies could win by outlasting their adversary. Communism's surviving victims needed little persuasion to embrace Western-style politics and economics when they could. In the new conflict, by contrast, America needs not only to defeat and discredit two quite different ideologies (Baathist-style fascism and Islamic totalitarianism) but also to establish the viability of a third way. A few well-placed bombs can make this quite difficult.

In Afghanistan, our side is winning, but we're still in the first lap and the enemy is back on his feet. In Iraq, our side is struggling and the opponent is gaining. In Palestine, with Abbas undercut from both sides and too weak to enforce the road map, our side is not fully in contention.

If the situation looks discouraging, however, remember that World War I and World War II and World War III (the Cold War) all started out looking worse. In all three cases, the democracies proved stronger than they looked, and their opponents proved weaker. Remember also that many Iraqis and Afghans and Palestinians support what America is trying to do and will come forward when it appears we can win. As the jihadis must know, their movement could collapse as suddenly as Communism did.

Remember, finally, what we learned two years ago this Thursday. The other side is not going to go away and leave us alone. If the world's 200 million or more Arab Muslims are not given hope, they will lash out in fear. The Long War, alas, isn't over.

Jonathan Rauch is a senior writer for National Journal magazine, where "Social Studies" appears.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 09:49 am
I can understand this thinking. I do not subscribe to much of it. We feed all this interest in us by seeking to control/being dependent on oil. We back Israel, right or wrong. We support the worst kind of states until they turn around to bite us big time. We invade Iraq even though it has no powers to use against us. We lower our guard cyclically against terrorism at home, instead of remaining resolved and alert. When we go into Afghanistan or Iraq or any other country we defeat the opposing military, essentially, then sit there like a bunch of dummies, suddenly seeming to be without purpose and principles, making ourselves a most tempting target.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 10:34 am
It's the oil rationale which I find pretty much the most galling. We have the ability to cut way back on the use of oil in this country but, no, that's impossible, too many people profit from it. The bottom line, like it or not, we are sending kids (and our souls) to the Middle East to defend profiteers. We will have a "terrorism" problem for years to come because we condone this profiteering or, at the very least say, with a sigh, Well, there's nothing WE can do about it... The rest of the world (and quite a few Americans) know there is something we can do about it, but we simply choose not to.
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wolf
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 12:19 pm
Yes, the hunger for oil and characteristic Cold War jingoism are the dual roots of the 2000 election scam, 9/11, the Iraq bloodshed and so on. They are, combined, the psychological motivation -- so-called legitimation -- the Bush-clique uses to approve of what they're inflicting on the planet.

The viciousness of fake terrorism that is used as a lever, the curtailing and suppressing of public criticism in the media, the poor theatre Dubya represents in functioning as a clownish decoy (Reagan was more credible, that says it all), make it very hard to openly criticize let alone overthrow the criminals that govern our world.

A better way to get out of this quagmire, would be to struggle for clean energy systems and promote durable energy resources. To make the oil-dependent energy sources as obsolete as soon as economically possible. This would be a positive endeavor, one that would counter both the bloody oil thirst and the narrow nationalism in one international reaction towards a sustainable future.

The depletion of fossil fuels leads not only to a short-term massacre, but in the large term to an irreversible climatological chaos. To combat the oil boys and their secret army seems impossible if we try this directly. But to combat the use of oil seems more feasible. and with small but daily results. The political horror of the last years and the environmental peril that awaits us makes the fight against oil the most important one in modern history.
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perception
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 09:07 pm
Thanks for posting this valuable article Bumblebee


Quote:
For 50 years, America was complicit in presenting the Arab world with a false choice between corrupt authoritarianism and militant Islamism. Worse, the United States took the side of corrupt authoritarianism. In that limited sense, America was complicit in the rise of militant Islamism. But secular authoritarianism turned out to mean Assad's Syria, el-Qaddafi's Libya, and Saddam's Iraq, all of them dangerous to their own regions and to American interests.

Unfortuantely this is true but now we have a chance to rectify the record.

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From the Islamists' point of view, this is a life-or-death struggle. America must fail in Iraq. Ideally, America should also fail to establish a competent, honest, stable Palestinian state, and a competent, honest, stable Afghan state. But Iraq is the big one. From the jihadis' point of view, a victory over America in Iraq -- meaning the Americans go home without having managed to set up a viable, moderate government -- would be a twofer. American prestige and power would be wounded, and the false choice between Islamism and corrupt secular tyranny would be confirmed. "You see?" the Islamists would say. "It really is just us or the devil. The Americans won't stay and can't win."

This author is just one of many who has come to this conclusion---everything I have read recently would seem to verify this conclusion
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 11:31 pm
Want a really scary article? This one is. And we created it. A lot of the old Chinese proverbs are true - the one in this case being "Be careful what you wish for...." It should be obvious by now that the canard about a free and democratic Iraq wasn't believed or taken to heart by anybody. Instead, look what's happening.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/962871.asp?vts=090620032205
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 11:44 pm
I believe it can be easily shown that Mamajuana's depiction of the problems in Iraq is neat, simple and wrong.

Anyone who feels that the world's Muslims are all ready to band together to fight the USA and Europe knows very little about Islam.

Instead, as the country's expert on Islam, Professor Bernard Lewis has pointed out- the radical fundamentalism in Islam comes from a small minority of Muslims who adhere to the belief that it is their duty to Allah to exterminate the unbelievers until the Muslim Caliphate is restored and Islam rules the world.

This is nonsense, of course.

The small group( in relation to the world's large number of Moslems) must be either tamed or
neutralized.

There will be no real world peace until it can be shown that the efforts of such fanatics will be for naught.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 11:51 pm
Italgato wrote:
I believe it can be easily shown that Mamajuana's depiction of the problems in Iraq is neat, simple and wrong.

Care to re-enforce that opinion with evidence?

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Anyone who feels that the world's Muslims are all ready to band together to fight the USA and Europe knows very little about Islam.

Yes, but you are speaking contrary to what most americans "just know."

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Instead, as the country's expert on Islam, Professor Bernard Lewis has pointed out- the radical fundamentalism in Islam comes from a small minority of Muslims who adhere to the belief that it is their duty to Allah to exterminate the unbelievers until the Muslim Caliphate is restored and Islam rules the world.

This is nonsense, of course.

The small group( in relation to the world's large number of Moslems) must be either tamed or
neutralized.

There will be no real world peace until it can be shown that the efforts of such fanatics will be for naught.

Correct, although you would do well to expend your reading to include other authors. Lewis hasn't been "the country's expert on Islam" for years.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 11:53 pm
Good lord, massa, that is not my description. I gave the source for a long article. If you choose not to read it, that is your choice.

And Bernard Lewis has written some very knowledgeable things on Islam over many years. I suggest you go back and read more of his work - it doesn't present the narrow view you put forward.

In the eyes of some, the Americans are fanatics. And they may be correct. One must be flexible.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 11:55 pm
No, hobit. But sometimes one has limited sources.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2003 11:58 pm
mamajuana wrote:
No, hobit. But sometimes one has limited sources.

Confused now, what are you "no-ing" about?
Anyway, good night. Back tomorrow.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 12:58 am
hobitbob- I hope you will allow me to say that you write intelligently.

I do not know whether you read what Mamajuana wrote.

I feel certain that you would not defend it.

She wrote-

"IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS BY NOW THAT THE CANARD ABOUT A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC IRAQ WASNT BELIEVED OR TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY ANYBODY"

Really?

Can Mamajuana magically intuit the beliefs of all of the top members of the administration including all of the senior personne in the State Department?

Mamajuana's statement is quite absurd since it is clear she would have to know the inner thoughts of all of Washington D. C.'s hierarchy.

I would respectfully suggest that she review her writing carefully before subimitting it. I am sure she did not mean to make such an absurd statement.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 01:30 am
I am deeply indebited to hobitbob for pointing out to me that the esteemed Professor Bernard Lewis from Princeton is not and has not been the USA's expert on Islam in years.

All this time, I allowed myself to be taken in by the careless statements of others.

to wit:

Wall Street Journal:
(commenting on "The Crisis of Islam"

quote

"Replete with...historical insight ...from the world's foremost Islamic Scholar"

or

Newsweek

"arguably the West's most distinguished scholar on the Middle East"

Alas, I apparently took these comments at face value.

I should not have done so.

I hope that hobitbob can tell me why these reviewers were mistaken. Who, may I ask, has taken Lewis's place?
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 01:33 am
I am very much afraid that Mamajauna may have misread or inadvdertently skipped over some of the most important sections of "The Crisis of Islam".

I would respectfully suggest that she re-read the last two chapters where Lewis clearly states that there is a very small group of radical fundamentalists who believe it is their duty to make Islam the foremost religion in the world even if it means continual jihad.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2003 09:10 am
Ital, read Edward Said's review of What Went Wrong in Foreign Affairs. Lewis' last two books have been typical of what academics do when retirement is coming up and they have unfulfilled obligations on their publishing contracts. Steven Ozment did the same thing. His latest work is not up to his usual standard, and shows signs of being rushed.
I've posted these before, but here are some good reading lists:Introductory, Non Specialist
Non Specialist: Islam Specific
Non Specialist: Islamic Civ
Non Specialist: Thematic
Specialist: Some sources in French/German/Arabic
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