18th child

oh my god.

The have a show on Discovery or TLC.

I will say this for them, however you feel about their # of children, or religion...

They have no debt, built their home as they could pay for it (extra big, one of the shows about them is about that) and pay their own way.

Oh yeah, those creeps.

Seriously tho - people who do this with religious "conviction" ...they have a special place in hell.

Oops, I meant my heart.

No, I didn't.

Get with the times man! May you rot in hell, sinners. *throws bible at them*

Don't worry! Kids are biodegradable!!!

Why?

(Not saying if I agree, disagree, or am nuetral)

<faints>

Ya know.. I definatly am impressed at hte no debt thing.
And I am impressed at being able to sustain themselves.

Im shocked and saddened at the whole " birth control = murder " idea..

That was the piece that made me want to post this story.
Not that they have kids.. but that they are openly saying that birth control caused DEATH and that they really believe it is their fault a child died.

It just screams of the woman being the weaker subject.
Because she took birthcontrol so that they could afford themselves , she is now a murderer and has to earn forgiveness?
Why didnt the man use birth control?



but this is a tangent that i wont stand and fight over so I better stop posting now because someone will come along that will want to debate it
and I dont think I will follow through on my part..

She looks great for a woman with 18 kids, though. Too bad she'll never have a life.

she has one..

in the kitchen making babies.. where she belongs..

Waidaminute...

Isn't even the central premise wrong?

I remember having a discussion about that here -- with Bella I think. And then remembering that my mom continued to take birth control pills for a few months after she (unknowingly) conceived me -- ya know, me, alive, here.

I agree with Chai though that if they can afford it and they want to (THEY -- especially the woman), it's their prerogative.

I truly feel for the woman. I wonder when she'll have the nervous breakdown.

well.. she is obviously doing something she wants to do.. or she would not have remained married..

at least I think.. I mean.. she is allowed to say no I hope.

she is a grown woman and can think for herself..

Chai, it's just my personal feelings on it.

I KNOW personally people who are like this. Their reasoning is all twisted.

The 18 kids - it's not the kids in themselves that sicken me.

What sickens me is that this is all tied into their religion. It's an expression of a particular type of religion.

And it's a mentality that makes me sick.

It reminds me, very much, of the people I've grown around and gotten to know personally who are similar in beliefs in lifestyle.

It's not that they are rotten people through and through. Not at all.

It's the way of life that sickens me. (And the lord said: Produce. And the lord said: This earth is for men to keep and use!)

And the Mushy said: You are a bunch of hypocritical bastids.

Sure, that lady looks sweet eh? And they support themselves eh?

Yeah...support themselves in the fashion of thinking a family has a right to whatever resources are available to them and stomp right over other ways of life in order to accomplish it.

I think it is incredibly selfish, in this day and age, to even tolerate such ****.

These are the families who, without blinking, accrue wealth to wipe out smaller families and take over small towns with inbreeding.

Sensitive subject,...just close to home!

I realize I err on emotional on this issue...

And she can certainly qualify for the nick name, Bunny

>snort

Except her vagina must look like a bag of ground beef that was smashed multiple times with a steel mallet.

Well then Slappy, her husband must enjoy that sort of thing.

that's cool mushy. was just wondering if it was the kids themselves, or the religion.

Hey, if a subject hits close to home, no need to apologize for it. When you have personal experience with something, you don't need anyone invalidating what you know.



Re the supporting themselves though....

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember from watching the show about them, that the Duggars haven't ever taken public assistance, they live on Jim Bob's income.

He's in real estate, and I'd guess fairly successful. They bought their own land, built their own house, using their own labor (yes including the kids, but none of them looked like they were being overworked. it seemed more like live lessons in responsibility) whenever possible.

I know these kids are home schooled, which I personally have my concerns about, regardless if you have 1 child or 10.

I also wonder about other aspects of the kids lives....

anyway.....

re the birth control, miscarriage thing.

I think they were religious before even having any children. I don't know if they have so many to make up for the one lost, or if they would have had that many if they just decided to go off the pill and start a family.

Does anyone feel she has so many children as an atonement?

I may be weird, but I can see what she's saying about her miscarriage.

If your belief is that life begins at conception, and you were taking something, be it birth control, or some other medication, that caused you a miscarriage, well, you did miscarry and lose a life over something you were doing.

Does that make you guilty? Personally, I'd feel bad that I lost a baby due to something I was doing. Regardless of if I was aware that my actions could have done that, I'd feel bad. I'd feel responsible. Would I feel guilty?
I don't know if that's the word I would use. I'd feel grief, and wish I'd known better. I'd know that if I had other children, it would never be the life that I was responsible for losing.

The more I think about it now, the more I realize I'd feel tremendous grief.

Me personally, having never wanted children, would feel tremendous relief, but yes, I'd grieve for the life lost.