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Doing The Right Thing?

 
 
Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 11:12 am
Bush's defence of his invasion and killings in Iraq, that he was "doing the right thing" was in essence the same as that of Paul Hill, the pro-life preacher terminated last night in Florida for murdering an abortionist doctor.

How ironic, then, that it was his brother Jeb, who dismissed the defence as "hogwash".

The same messianic vision of a better society (a total mirage in Iraq as in America under Bush). The same righteous faith in his avenging role. The same conviction that the deaths of others are worthy in his cause. Some might think zealot land-grabber George (White House, Afghanistan, Iraq) is in need of an urgent macrocephalectomy (a new addition to the language?). Idea
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 12:52 pm
What's occurred to me, re Hill, is how he believes he was doing God's will when he shot the doctor and his escort. And welcomed death and believed he would go to heaven as a result. What group do we know of who believes in that kind of theology?

As for "doing the right thing," who among us doesn't think he or she isn't "doing the right thing"? What kind of justification is that for anything?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 01:08 pm
The Bush "doing the right thing" and "supported by God" is extremly troublesome, especially with his two slips of the tongue with the word crusade. He always seems tongue-tied anyway, why not tie up his tongue like a pretzel?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 01:33 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
What's occurred to me, re Hill, is how he believes he was doing God's will when he shot the doctor and his escort. And welcomed death and believed he would go to heaven as a result. What group do we know of who believes in that kind of theology?


Several:
First Century Sicarri in Palestine
12th Century Hasshishim Islam
12th-17th Century Catholicism
16th and 17th Century Anabaptists
20th and 21st Century Radical Islam
2oth and 21st Century Evangelical Christianity.
Sad
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 02:17 pm
The world needs fewer people doing "God's" will.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 02:27 pm
Certainly fewer people appointing themselves as the oficial translators of God's Will.

The Ten Commandments tablet down south - this was the decision of one man to decide on something that wasn't his. It's sort of ironic that he should have chosen a totem sacred to the Hebrews, whose major commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 02:28 pm
And Bush never said a word.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 03:19 pm
He wouldn't dare. The True Believers are among his core supporters. If he loses them, he can kiss 2004 goodbye...
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 04:54 pm
I've just started reading a terrific bio of John Wesley Powell -- The River Runs West. It reminded me that the fundamentalists who came to this country from the west of England were of a very different stripe: against the slaughter and ill treatment of the Indians, often pacifists, etc. etc. Very ramrod backed, courageous people, unlike the puff-lipped and coiffed fancies of our day.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 05:18 pm
I often marvel at those "puff-lipped and coiffed" characters on fundamentalist TV channels. I was never in this particular loop, but when did this become the appropriate look for religious folk?

That one with all the grey hair looks like a nighmare image of the Whore of Babylon...
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 05:27 pm
I think they have a serious case of Mary Kay envy. Rolling Eyes
In all seriousness, I think it is overcompensation to try and apear "normal" and "wealthy." Instead they become grotesques. The mix of southern prom queen and new money vulgar leades to the Stepford Harridan look.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2003 06:30 pm
Re: Doing The Right Thing?
John Webb wrote:
the pro-life preacher terminated last night in Florida for murdering an abortionist doctor.


Uhm, can I just nitpick and pick up on this?

Does anyone really say "terminate", when they mean "execute" (or thus, in fact, "murder")?

That strikes me as one of the worst pieces of newspeak imaginable, far worse than "friendly fire" or "fresh frozen".

"Terminate." Kinda instantly evokes images of some machine- or computer-run universe, where death is nothing more than the plug pulled outta you, doesn't it?

Its probably meant to make "execution" sound more harmless and less messy than it is, but with that kind of assocation it in fact just sounds really scary. To me, anyway. Brrr. Your take?
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John Webb
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 02:12 am
Surely our new self-appointed Gods and would-be rulers of the universe can use any phraseology with which they feel most comfortable when ordering their various atrocities?
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 03:25 am
John Webb wrote:
Surely our new self-appointed Gods and would-be rulers of the universe can use any phraseology with which they feel most comfortable when ordering their various atrocities?


Uhm ... I thought it was your terminology. No?
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Italgato
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 03:57 am
I beg to differ. It is clear to me that the most intolerant belief system the world has ever had was Communism based on the writings of Karl Marx.

Stalin murdered far more people in far less time than any of the religious groups listed above.

My grandfather was murdered in the Ukraine--starved to death-actually.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 08:45 am
Italgato wrote:
I beg to differ. It is clear to me that the most intolerant belief system the world has ever had was Communism based on the writings of Karl Marx.

Stalin murdered far more people in far less time than any of the religious groups listed above.

My grandfather was murdered in the Ukraine--starved to death-actually.


Dream on!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 09:14 am
Yes, there have been worse regimes. Should we,as americans, not try and make sure our nation doesn't turn into a totalitarian nation, where people "dissapear" for careless words?
Remeber Ari Fleishcer's comment: "People need to be careful what they say about this administration, or they may find themselves in hot water down the road."
Many of the half-wits who support the killing of Abortion providers would likely serve as willing "enforcers" for a regime that claims to do God's bidding.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 09:33 am
The right thing I suppose is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion Bush has done all or at least most things wrong. However there are many who would say just the opposite.
As for the religious fanatic in Florida IMO he got his just rewards. In addition if his religious beliefs are valid he will go straight to hell.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 09:46 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Italgato wrote:
Stalin murdered far more people in far less time than any of the religious groups listed above.

My grandfather was murdered in the Ukraine--starved to death-actually.


Dream on!


Question Frank Question

Sorry to hear about your grandfather, Italgato. When was that, during the collectivisation drive of '30-'31? I know that the collectivisation and the accompanying mass deportations caused a mass famine in Ukraine and South-Russia ...

I read that Stalin implemented quantitative norms for the terror of deportation, ordering a minimum of x% of the population of each village to be deported, in order to intimidate the village into compliance and "behaed" any potential resistance ...
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