farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 04:55 am
@Ticomaya,
really sad. Some municipalities have banned pit bulls, Tosa Innus and Dogo ARgentinos. Any of those breeds can just go off after years of no signs of antisocial behavior
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 05:01 am
@farmerman,
To my thinking there is no rational reason to keep any of those dogs in urban or suburban areas.

What I do hear about pit bulls is that there still are some which have been properly bred and which could make reasonable house pets but that, at this point, the vast majority of them are not bred properly and are basically dangerous.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 06:40 am
@gungasnake,
yeh , the more Staffordshire Terrier in the genes, the less of a vicious assertiveness (IMHO).

Ive had several catahoulas and Catahoula/ border collie mixes and I prefer the Catahoula mixes because they have a social and doggie community spirit like the border collie and are not a "bullheadedly" hound like
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 06:40 am
@gungasnake,
yeh , the more Staffordshire Terrier in the genes, the less of a vicious assertiveness (IMHO).

Ive had several catahoulas and Catahoula/ border collie mixes and I prefer the Catahoula mixes because they have a social and doggie community spirit like the border collie and are not a "bullheadedly" hound like
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 24 Sep, 2013 09:18 am
@farmerman,
The kicker seems to be that, owing to the rules of dog fighting in England, the original fighting dogs had to be docile towards humans or their human handlers would all have been killed.

Again as I see it, keeping one of these dogs in an urban or suburban area is almost criminal activity.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 24 Sep, 2013 10:29 am
Thinking about owning a fighting dog?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Whipple

Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 24 Sep, 2013 03:27 pm
@gungasnake,
Thanks. I didn't remember what happened to the owners of the dogs that attacked her. 2nd degree murder -- 15 years to life.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 12:07 pm
Right ... "blame the deed, not the breed," ... idiots.

Quote:
Campaign to save dog in Arizona mauling
Associated Press
By TERRY TANG March 16, 2014 9:53 PM


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PHOENIX (AP) — A dog that mauled a 4-year-old Phoenix boy has received thousands of pleas for mercy through a Facebook campaign ahead of a court hearing to decide his fate.

A municipal court judge could rule at a March 25 hearing on whether Mickey, a pit bull that bit Kevin Vicente in the face, should be euthanized. Kevin received injuries that will require, according to doctors, months and possibly years of reconstructive surgeries.

Since the Feb. 20 attack, Mickey has become the object of a Facebook page that has gotten more than 40,000 likes and an online petition to spare his life.

Supporters say the campaign doesn't mean they value the dog's life above the child's.

"This is not Kevin versus Mickey," said attorney John Schill, who is representing the dog in the court petition. "Having Mickey killed is not going to take away Kevin's pain or injuries. The only thing this is going to do is kill a poor, innocent dog."

Pit bulls are viewed by some as a dangerous breed, a reputation their fans dispute.

Guadalupe Villa, who was at the scene of the attack, filed the vicious-animal petition to have the dog put down.

"I just looked at all this as this could have been my son, and I don't want it to be someone else," Villa said.

Schill said he is working pro bono at the request of The Lexus Project, a nonprofit that collects money to legally defend canines in danger of being euthanized. The organization has set up a trust for Mickey that has received more than $5,600, he said.

Schill said the person watching Kevin while his mother was at work should be held responsible.

"But for adults involved, this never would have happened," Schill said. "They're trying to put all the blame on Mickey."


Villa, whose boyfriend's mother was baby-sitting Kevin the day of the attack, said her friend is not to blame.

"She took amazing care of that little boy," said Villa, who claims in the petition that Mickey killed her dog last year.

According to Villa, Kevin picked up a bone lying on the ground near the dog, which was kept on a chain. That's when Mickey suddenly attacked Kevin, Villa said.

Villa said she can't understand the Facebook attention and doesn't see Mickey as a victim.

Kevin was hospitalized at Maricopa Medical Center with a broken eye socket, cheek bone and lower jaw bone, according to doctors.

Dr. Salvatore Lettieri, a Mayo Clinic physician and chief of cosmetic surgery at Maricopa Medical Center, said he was able to fix the broken bones and reattach the muscles that allow Kevin to open and close his eye.

"He still can't open his eye. We'll need to fix the tear duct drainage system — that is if he makes tears," Lettieri said.

Flor Medrano, a family friend, said Kevin continues to recover at a pediatric hospital in Phoenix but will return to Maricopa Medical Center later this week for more surgery on his eye.

Medrano also said a fundraising website has received about $6,000 in donations for the boy. The Maricopa Health Foundation also established a website that has received 50 donations.

The social media support for Mickey doesn't indicate that people care more about a dog than a child, Harold Herzog, a psychology professor at Western Carolina University who studies animal interaction.

He said it's likely that lovers of pit bulls, specifically, are driving Mickey's Facebook following. Pit bulls have been saddled with a bad rap — fair or not — of being one of the most dangerous dogs. A lot of that reputation is thanks to other mauling cases, Herzog said.

"I don't think this reflects that people like dogs more than they like kids. It's a reflection that ... this is yet another instance of their breed getting blame for something it didn't do," Herzog said. "'Blame the deed, not the breed.'"

"Schill said the person watching Kevin while his mother was at work should be held responsible. 'But for adults involved, this never would have happened'."

But for the pit bull who mauled the little boy who dared to touch his bone, this would never have happened.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 12:35 pm
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
Schill said he is working pro bono


If it's Mickey's bono he's likely to get his face ripped off.
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 02:03 pm
@izzythepush,

There's a programme on our TVs this evening about dogs which attack.

I'm with Tico on this.

On this latest story though, anyone who knew there was a watchdog on a chain nearby should have taken great care that a toddler could not have come within its range. Lame-brained people are most of the problem. But attack dogs are an accident waiting to happen. In this country, the law has been recently changed to hold owners culpable when dogs go out of control.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 02:17 pm
@McTag,
There's a surprising level of unanimity of opinion about this issue. If this had happened in Britain, Mickey would have been put down long ago, because Pit Bulls are a banned breed, and the owner would have gone to prison.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 04:17 pm
@izzythepush,
In the US, there are municipalities (cities, countie, boroughs townships, parishes etc) That have , by ordinance, banned many of these breeds.
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 05:24 pm
I have no dog in this fight.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 05:25 pm
This from a local TV station today. There are similar stories weekly in these parts.

3 pit bulls chase a woman into her car in North Harris County. This was her view from the driver's seat as they tried to get to her. COMING UP ON KHOU 11 NEWS AT 10, see the cell phone video she took just minutes before they mauled a man sitting on his front porch. He was badly hurt, and a Sheriff's deputy was also bitten. The dogs got out of a neighbor's yard. Are you afraid of dogs in your neighborhood?
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1962861_10152707173884062_502893353_n.jpg
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 07:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
A few years ago, an elderly neighbor lady called us on New Years Day (I think I may hve posted this before, but.. anyway)
The woman was panicking because her husband was trying to stand down two pit bullsusing a sharp hay fork and, in the process, he movd into a corner of their barn so as to have a better defensive position.(I guess that was his reason, I woulda leaped up and grabbed onto the beams and shinnied into the haymow)

The story later unfolded that these two dogs escaped from a house all the way in town (about 4 miles away from the township farms). These dogs had just completed attackin several of my neighbors goats and killed all of them .These were champion milk goats that had won all kinds of milk production ribbons at the PA Farm SHow..

While The dogs were killing my neighbors goats he heard the noise in the barn, grabbed a pitch fork, and headed out to investigate. The dogs apparently began turning on him and only through his constant jabbing was he able to keep driving them away.
His wife called us and I got a pistol and drove over to their farm across our fields and into their previously plowed one.
I got into their house lane,when I got out of the car, I could hear the growling and noise coming out of the milk house.
All of a sudden one of the dogs heard me an , in some apparent blind rage (these dogs just had blood on their pea brains),
This one dog, big brindle pit bull tore toward me. I put three shots into it before it dropped and then the other dog was still trying to get my neighbor. I got into the barn but I didn't want to fire toward the dog in the event that Id ricochet a .45 off the stone walls of the barn and either I or my neighbor would get hit. SO I screamed and ran out the barn door . I kept screaming like I was afraid ( Believe me I wsnt acting) and that got the other dog , a big merled male pit bull to turn toward me. He was very fast and I made it to the outside With a nice open area should the dog come busting through the sliding panel door.
Stupid dog decided to jump toward me through an open window, so that left me with the only option to fire at the dog toward the wooden barn side. I put 5 or 6 shots at him (I was kinda nervous, scared, and somewhat jazzed at what was gonna be a rather dull NEw Years day where we go to the local fire company for a saur kraut dinner.
Dog comes right at me and Im blasting away. When the smoke cleared the damn dog was just a few feet from me and still snapping. I put one into its head. Then I went to the barn door and saw I had put maybe 4 shots into the woodwork.
To this day , my neighbor has left those bullet holes in his barn door in case someone triedto convince him of owning a pit bull puppy.

My wife called the State police and, when he arrove, it was pretty much a crime scene.
5 dead goats

2dead pit bulls

A whole bunch of yattering people all full of adrenaline and scared shitless about what just happened.
The cop told me to declip and eject my pistol. He then told my neighbor that he had some trouble with several of these "druggies" who lived in the town and that they all had pitbulls for "protection"

These dogs had everything cropped , easr , tails AND, it later turned out when the vet did a quick autopsy (to determine whether these were the animals that killed the goats). He found so much goat hair in the fogs gullets and mouths that it was no discussion as to qheteher we were acting responsibly. (cops cant believe anyone although the on-scene officer was recording it pretty much as we told him).
The one owner of the two pit bulls was later arrested and sent away for a long time for an unrelated issue(he ran a do-it-yourself meth lab in a Camper (caravan) down by the big woods).

Since that happened We have had lots of Amish families around us buying old farms and setting up new veggie and dairy farms and all the Amish have at least 5 kids,(two familes have 10 each). Many of These kids walk our fields each day to get to school and Ive since thought about those dogs, and the thought scares me.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 07:27 pm
@farmerman,
I don't recall reading that story before, FM. That's crazy.
panzade
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 07:31 pm
@farmerman,
Hadn't read that before...quite a tale.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 07:35 pm
@panzade,
Ive been really leery of the damn breed ever since. We have friends that have one and I always ask them to leave their dog at home. (It turned out that this dog attacked a mailman when she was about 6 years old, and they were fined heavily based on an ordinance that defines
"Dangerous breeds" and "full control of pets".

The mailman wasn't a rookie at this kind of stuff.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2014 08:59 pm
Quite a few years back, a man I barely knew tried to give me three, full grown, ones. I couldn't handle that many big dogs, even had I liked the breed. Turned out, he was trying to save them by getting them out of his neighborhood. They had taken to wandering at night and slaughtering livestock. I don't know what finally happened there.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 21 Mar, 2014 03:49 am
@Ticomaya,
Good story, fm, thanks for sharing.

I watched that programme on our tv service last night and lots of interesting points came out. It wasn't mainly about pit bulls or attack dogs, just animals that had been mistreated, not socialised, neglected, abandoned, starved, and the officers who had to deal with the problems they cause.
In every case seen, tho original owners were inadequate and/or stupid people. Plenty antisocial ones, too.

And of course the more powerful the dog, the worse the problem when things go wrong.
But I accept this is a separate issue to deliberate breeding and raising of attack dogs. These are illegal here now.
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