Pit Bulls

@OGIONIK,

OGIONIK wrote:

rag, i thought that story was going downhill, ...

They usually do, don't they?

@Ticomaya,

So do stories about lawyers, but that has little to do with lawyers and more to do with how stories tend to be negative.

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@Ticomaya,

on this thread, yes.

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Stop the madness!!!!

Abort black pit-bulls today!!!

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I have done some research and found more useful Fact vs. Fiction info on Pit Bulls and debunking Pit Bull myths:

Locking Jaw

"Q: A friend of mine told me that Pit
[Pit] Bulls have a special enzyme that allow
them to lock their jaws. Is this true?

A: This is a very common myth. Pit Bulls are members
of the canine species and have the same jaw structure
as any other dog. If they had a special enzyme or other
mechanism allowing them to lock their jaws, we would
have to reclassify them as a different species.
However, Pit Bulls do seem to have an above average
amount of determination for obtaining and retaining
objects they are interested in. In fact, they were
selectively bred to never give up. Their focus may be
chasing squirrels or fetching rocks or sticks, but
whatever they do, it's done with a great deal of
enthusiasm. If they happen to grab on to something they
don't want to release, it can be quite difficult to extract it
from them."

Why Spay or Neuter topic
"It is estimated that 200 pit bulls are killed
EVERYDAY in Los Angeles, CA shelters alone
because there are not enough homes for them.
Many people have no idea how desperate the situation
is for millions of homeless companion animals,
especially Pit Bulls. These dogs have a lot more going
against them than any other breed. They are: regularly
maligned by the media; feared and misunderstood by
the public; too often owned by abusive or irresponsible
individuals; innocent victims of kill policies in shelters;
the target of municipal bans and breed specific
restrictions, etc.
It is estimated that 20 million unwanted and
homeless dogs and cats will be destroyed in the
U.S. this year. This is 1.6 million dogs and cats
KILLED per month every month of the year.
Anyone who cares about these dogs should try to save
a homeless Pit Bull before they consider adding more
dogs to a completely saturated market. This is a plea
for those of you who are thinking about breeding Pit
Bulls--please think again!
Remember that many animal shelters have a kill policy
for Pit Bulls. These dogs and puppies are destroyed
because they are Pit Bulls. The shelters that give Pit
bulls a chance are completely overloaded with these
dogs and must often euthanize them because they are
not able to find them good homes. The *lucky* ones
spend months and sometimes years rotting behind bars
lying on a cold cement floor. Before you breed, we urge
you to spend some time volunteering at your local
shelter so you can witness pet homelessness first hand."

http://www.pbrc.net/misc/pbrcbrochure.pdf

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

So do stories about lawyers, but that has little to do with lawyers and more to do with how stories tend to be negative.

That's true. But with pit bulls, it has more to do with how they viciously attack and maim innocent people, usually children.

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5-year-old mauled by pit bull
Dog bit girl in the head, face, arms and legs while she was playing outside.

The parents of a 5-year-old girl who is recovering from a pit bull attack could be charged with child endangering pending a police investigation.

Neighbors said the victim, Payton Tunstall, was playing in the backyard of her father’s house in the 400 block of Knightsbridge Drive at around 11:25 a.m. Monday, July 13, when the attack occurred.

The pit bull, which was being kept at the residence, had gotten loose from a cage and caused serious injuries to the little girl, biting her on the head, face, legs and arms, said Hamilton police Sgt. Tom Kilgour.

The dog also attacked Payton’s mother, who was the only adult at the home when the attack occurred, Kilgour said.

The girl was in serious condition when she was flown by medical helicopter to the Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center. Her condition was not being released Monday night.

The dog was taken by the Butler County Dog Warden and is being housed at the Animal Friends Humane Society in Trenton, where it could be euthanized.

Under the city’s ordinance codes, a pit bull is automatically classified as a “vicious dog.” Residents are allowed to keep such dogs as pets, but they must be confined in secure enclosures.

Calvin Jackson, who was visiting his mother in the neighborhood Monday afternoon after the attack, said he doesn’t trust pit bulls and doesn’t agree with some who think “it’s cool to have them” and train them for dogfighting.

“I tell my kids to stay away from those dogs,” Jackson said. “They’re too moody. They’re really aggressive, even as puppies. I don’t think they like kids.”

Kilgour said investigators planned to wait until today, July 14, to talk to the parents.

“Our focus right now is for the child’s recovery,” he said.

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In my opinion,
the victims woud have had a much better chance of remaining unmutilated
if thay had been possessed of the necessary emergency equipment for defense from predatory violence.

This emergency equipment can be compact and light of weight.
One is well advised to practice so as to be thoroughly familiar with it beforehand.
Experience with it shoud be taught in the schools for life-saving purposes,
the same as swimming is. We used to have competitive gunnery teams in the schools,
going back to when Congress began the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice
headed by the Director of Civilian Marksmanship around the time of the First World War.
(Obviously, it is impracticable to carry around a shoulder weapon,
but handguns are convenient.)

To the extent that government has interfered with the natural
and constitutional rights of each citizen to defend himself, or herself,
government has de facto gone into partnership with the predatory dog, cougar,
bear or human, and against the victim, so that in effect,
the victims were attacked by both the animals and the government that thay nourish with their taxes.

If civilians are sufficiently well prepared to defend themselves,
then it matters not what manner of dog falls upon him or her.

I truely believe that it is better to HAVE a gun and not need it,
than it is to NEED a gun and not have it.

I wonder how the victims shown in this thread feel on that point.

(Obviously, my thoughts in this matter cannot apply to babies
who have not grown into sufficient strength to use the equipment of self-defense.)

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

In my opinion,
the victims woud have had a much better chance of remaining unmutilated
if thay had been possessed of the necessary emergency equipment for defense from predatory violence.

...

(Obviously, my thoughts in this matter cannot apply to babies
who have not grown into sufficient strength to use the equipment of self-defense.)

But what about the 5 year old mauled in the story I reproduced above? Suppose she was old enough to be taken out to the range to practice her self-defense skills against the family pooch?

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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

That's true. But with pit bulls, it has more to do with how they viciously attack and maim innocent people, usually children.

By this reasoning the dim view taken towards lawyers has more to do with how they cheat, steal and chase ambulances (as opposed to the bad ones giving the good ones a bad name).

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert there is not reasoning it just emotional driven nonsense by people who tend not to used their intellect to judge real risks.

A risk that is so low that only a society that keep detail records could even find.

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Quote:

Teen attacked by family's pit bull in Mesa

by Allison Hurtado - Feb. 26, 2010 09:26 PM
The Arizona Republic

A teenage boy was taken to the hospital Friday after his family pit bull attacked his face.

The attack happened near Dobson Road and Main Street around 5 p.m., said Dave Johnson, a Mesa Fire Department spokesman.

It was unclear what caused the attack, but Johnson said the 18-year-old had serious puncture wounds across his face.

He was taken to Scottsdale Osborn Medical Center for treatment.

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@Ticomaya,

Quote:

FREMONT, Calif. - A pack of angry Chihuahuas attacked a police officer who was escorting a teenager home after a traffic stop, authorities said.

The officer suffered minor injuries, including bites to his ankle, police Detective Bill Veteran said.

The five Chihuahuas escaped the 17-year-old boy’s home and rushed the officer as he stood in the doorway Thursday, authorities said. The teenager had been detained after the traffic incident.

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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

Pit bulls ....

It is my opinion that the pit bull "breed" is very dangerous, regardless of the training the dog has received. While some pits have the ability to be nice pets, I believe their inherent nature is to attack, and when they bite they clamp down and don't let go. The anecdotal evidence is overwhelming.

This thread is to discuss the topic, and to post news accounts of pit bull attacks/maulings/killings. I've been meaning to start a thread for some time now.

I agree,

And it's always the stupidest, broke ass, irresponsible people that like these dogs. Even if you sue them youll never get the money.

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@panzade,

Another damn Chihuahua attack. When will these irresponsible owners learn?

Cop probably missed minutes of work dealing with his injuries.

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@Ticomaya,

I wasn't comparing, Tico and I get your point...
was just goofin

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And, since the thread's been reopened and I like to run my mouth, I will reiterate that I work with pit bulls and people who own and breed them on a daily basis, and I do not think the breed is inherently more dangerous than any other dog of comparable size and intelligence.

The argument that they're inherently dangerous goes like this: when you see the report of a dog attack in the news, it's usually a pit bull.

The gist of my counter-argument to that goes like this: most of the time, when you see a dog chained in a yard, infested with parasites and malnourished, bearing the scars of abuse at human hands, it's usually a pit bull. I see the dogs, I hear it from our animal control officers, I meet the owners when they come to redeem their neglected animals and refuse the offer of free spay/neuter surgery for their animals -- it's a people problem, and getting rid of a particular breed is not going to fix it.

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@panzade,

It wasn't a bad point, though. Little Chico can turn into Bowser Hyde once a pack forms up.

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So, you arent gonna TIME the Maricopa County Police force, are you? I'm as anti-Arpaio as you want me to be, I think he is a gigantic **********, but for CHRISSAKES they have a reduction in force. We are gonna have to step up and take care of our selves. The cops dont have to show up to get you to the hospital. Utilize a family member, or a good neighbor. We're just gonna have to get used to depending on each other. If the guy needed a quicker response, He could have gotten. You dont have to call 911 to request a goddamn ambulance. You can just as easily call an ambulance yourself. We're just gonna have to get used to it. The cop could just as easily taken the report at the hospital. God knows you're probably gonna wait 4 hours at the emergency room anyway.

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@panzade,

Oh, that is too funny (I guess?). Why would anybody, though, have a "pack" of any kind of dog? Probably a breeding place, which is a huge responsibility too.

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