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Interesting op/ed about Obama

 
 
Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 08:48 am
And its from Joe Wilson (yes, THAT Joe Wilson)...

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27376

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Sen. Barack Obama declared in Pennsylvania on March 27 that his foreign policy would "return" to that of George H.W. Bush and that Sens. John McCain and Hillary Rodham Clinton both had strayed from that model. Having served in the first Bush administration, as acting U.S. ambassador to Iraq in the run-up to the first Gulf War, and subsequently as ambassador to two African nations, I cannot fathom what Obama is asserting.


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What would Obama have done differently in the first gulf war from what he claims he would have done in 2002 had he been in the Senate at that time? In 1990, Saddam was deemed a threat by the first Bush administration. Senior administration officials threatened military action while working toward a diplomatic solution. Congress was ultimately faced with a vote to support the president's approach. Some Democrats, including then-Sen. Al Gore, voted with the administration, while a majority voted against.

Obama claims that an antiwar speech he made while running for state Senate in the most liberal district in Illinois is proof of his superior intuitive judgment. But if Obama had been in Washington at that time, participating in the national debate, he would have come face to face with Secretary of State Colin Powell, the same Colin Powell who, as Gen. Powell, was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the first Bush administration, the one Obama wishes to emulate.



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In fact, Obama's understanding of foreign policy is extraordinarily limited. He has had one job in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: chairman of the Europe and NATO subcommittee. He has not held a single policy hearing in that capacity because, as he said in a debate, he has been too busy running for president. He has not even taken a fact-finding trip or provided any other oversight.

As to Obama's self-promoted "judgment," which judgment would that be? Would it be to follow the path of Bush 41: tough diplomacy backed by the threat of military action, as in the first gulf war? Would it be to ignore the rationale put forward by Colin Powell in the debate on the second gulf war? Would it be to vote exactly the same way Sen. Clinton did on war-related issues since he became a U.S. senator, which he has? Or is it simply to criticize from the sidelines with the benefit of never having had to face tough decisions with real consequences?


This raises an interesting problem for some of the Obama supporters.
Some of those supporters were saying that Joe Wilson wouldnt lie, and must be believed.
Will they say that now?

But apart from the partisan hacks who will say that Obama can do no wrong, is Wilson right?

I think he is.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 09:14 am
The only interesting thing is how much aid and comfort Clinton backers are giving to Republicans.

(("That" Joe Wilson writing a hit piece in support of Hillary is hardly noteworthy.))
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 09:28 am
ebrown_p wrote:
The only interesting thing is how much aid and comfort Clinton backers are giving to Republicans.

(("That" Joe Wilson writing a hit piece in support of Hillary is hardly noteworthy.))


You are exactly the person I was talking about.
Why is it that any op/ed piece, or any other article that is even slightly critical of Obama considered a "hit piece"?

Even Obama admits he hasnt had any committee meetings, so you cant blame Joe Wilson for getting that wrong.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 09:41 am
Wilson didn't get anything wrong.

He's right.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 10:08 am
A "partisan hack" is someone who calls a hit piece "slightly critical".

You are a conservative voter Mysteryman who probably never voted for Kerry, Gore, or Clinton.

The fact that you are so enamored of Hillary supporters.... even though I am pretty sure (and correct me if I am wrong) that you wouldn't vote for Hillary in the general election (if she pulls out the nomination)... is interesting.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 10:09 am
Re: Interesting op/ed about Obama
mysteryman wrote:
This raises an interesting problem for some of the Obama supporters.
Some of those supporters were saying that Joe Wilson wouldnt lie, and must be believed.
Will they say that now?

But apart from the partisan hacks who will say that Obama can do no wrong, is Wilson right?

I think he is.

Sure he is. The President is expected to manage a massive government and can not be expected to know every aspect of it. McCain loves foreign policy but is bored by the domestic stuff while Clinton and Obama seem to like the domestic stuff. Since delegating tasks while maintaining responsibility is essential to the job, that is what I focus on. All three candidates will surround themselves with experts to help them make decisions, so what kind of team will they end up with and how will it run? This is an interesting editorial from Peter Beinart on that very question. It's basic premise is that a President governs like he campaigns, and if you buy that argument, Obama is light years ahead of Clinton and McCain.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 10:52 am
ebrown_p wrote:
A "partisan hack" is someone who calls a hit piece "slightly critical".

You are a conservative voter Mysteryman who probably never voted for Kerry, Gore, or Clinton.

The fact that you are so enamored of Hillary supporters.... even though I am pretty sure (and correct me if I am wrong) that you wouldn't vote for Hillary in the general election (if she pulls out the nomination)... is interesting.


Your right, I am a conservative.
But for you to assume that I am "enamored" of Hillary supporters shows that you have not read much of what I have posted since the campaign began.
I have posted articles and links to articles critical of AND praising both Hillary and Obama, along with articles both praising and criticizing McCain.

I would suggest you actually read what I have posted before you go off the deep end.
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Kitten with a Whip
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 10:59 am
Taylor Marsh needs to stop smoking crack.

BTW I recall reading here that many on the right said Joe Wilson a liar. I also recall that mysteryman never disputed this. It was on of the first threads I ever read here about the Plame case.

Mr. Man, have you ever disputed the claim that Mr Wilson is a liar when your comrades in delusion have made that claim.

The onus is actually on you, since you are the one who sides with those who say he is a liar.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 11:25 am
Is this the 6th or the 7th alias you have had here?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 11:45 am
Kitten with a Whip wrote:
Taylor Marsh needs to stop smoking crack.

BTW I recall reading here that many on the right said Joe Wilson a liar. I also recall that mysteryman never disputed this. It was on of the first threads I ever read here about the Plame case.

Mr. Man, have you ever disputed the claim that Mr Wilson is a liar when your comrades in delusion have made that claim.

The onus is actually on you, since you are the one who sides with those who say he is a liar.


I have neither confirmed or disputed that he was a liar, because I dont know.
I have said that I think he was wrong, and I have said that I think his wife lied.

Now, since you joined AFTER the whole Plame case happened, and since you couldnt have read everything I posted about it, you are either using a different name then you usually do, or you are a liar.

So Roxxxanne, which is it?

Now, if saying that I think he was wrong is the same as calling him a liar, then I guess I have.
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