dlowan wrote:hanno wrote:Cold dead hands the first thing that came to mind? Then you're not viewing it in context. No one killed him to take his gun - he did his thing till the end - the day is his.
I despise this playground-rules crap - you'll call weakness weakness, in the sense that he's dead and that's bad for him, but someone wants to hold onto a little instrument of self defense and it's out of order.
Oh lighten up.
Anyone with any sense of proportion would see the "cold, dead, hands" bellow in that speech as intrinsically ironic and over the top......
What's "doing his thing till the end" got to do with anything? It was a dumb speech bound to get laughs at the time, and obviously his hands were gonna end up cold and dead at some point, just like yours and mine.
Nobody ever thought he was gonna die to defend his guns, and that was one of the things that made the phrase so ridiculous.
I thought that very thing. Not a damn Australian would apparently, but you've got the juevos to push your natives around just like we do. Hypocrites. There was no suspension of disbelief, I'd go for principle too - I mean, I'm not the altruistic type, but 'liberty of death' don't just mean try real hard for liberty.
dlowan wrote:Wherever are you getting this nonsense:
"you'll call weakness weakness, in the sense that he's dead and that's bad for him"
Whoever called his dying "weakness"?
What on earth are you on about?
Death is weakness, if he were still a stud he'd be alive. I hope it takes me that long to get weak and while he had his **** together he did a lot of good. That's called perspective, liberals seem to lose it at convenient times.
dlowan wrote:As for whether being dead is "bad for him" (a comment I cannot make any sense of at all in this context), I suppose a universal human fate can be regarded as bad, if one fears death greatly, but I see no reason to personalise this to Heston, especially as he died after a long life, which would seem pretty lucky given the fate awaiting many of us.
Perhaps you just can't appreciate black humour?
BTW, I would have found the "cold dead hands" thing just as ridiculous if I were opposed to gun laws. It was just plain laughable.
I was interested in hearing more about Heston than his gun nut stuff, btw.
You seem very fond of him, got anything interesting to say?
I bet you can see the universal human fate as being bad - but it takes big brass clankers to understand the inevitability of failure and continue in a meaningful manner. Heston had 'em.
I'm all about black humor - I just ain't enough of a bottom feeder to speak ill of someone who fought for the cause like I wish I could. I ain't just looking for graves to piss on and neither are you - you'd like to see American freedom in the same hole our man's headed for because it's existence makes you look like a pansy.
