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How do FLDS know whom they're going to marry?
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 06/09/2008 12:41:00 AM MDT
The FLDS do not court or date. Typically, a girl and/or her parents decide she is mature enough to marry and submit her name to the prophet.
That timing varies from family to family; some girls have said they believed they were ready for marriage before their parents did and vice versa.
The prophet arranges marriages, which are seen as inspired by God - although some members say they were asked by past church presidents if they had received their own inspiration about whom to marry. It is sign of faithfulness to accept a match made by the prophet.
Members say women may defer marriage or reject a match but social and religious pressure make that rare.
A marriage ceremony may occur within minutes or days of a match being made. Ceremonies are private, involving the couple, often their parents, high-ranking church leaders and the prophet.
The prophet may designate someone to conduct the ceremony.
The couple then "court," which may take days to months, before consummating the marriage.
- Brooke Adams
http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_9525798?source=rss
Notice that the girl and/or the family decide when, not the cult leader. The leader picks the mate. It has always been known by the outside world that the girl can say no. The girls are pressured b custom and they at some point must follow the customs or else leave the cult, but they have always been free to leave.
Quote:The state of Texas expects to shell out four point five million dollars, to pay for the legal fees involved with the FLDS raid in April. Now, that amount will only cover one third of the total costs of the raid. The entire raid is estimated to top $14 million. Most of the money was spent on court proceedings after more than 400 children were taken from the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Eldorado. A state District Judge in San Angelo originally gave children protective services custody of the kids. However, Texas Supreme Court recently ruled to return the children back to their parents.
http://permianbasin360.com/content/fulltext/?cid=5931
doing the math, just over $31,000 per "child" (some turned out to be as old as 26 years old) illegally detained. The costs are sure to go up as new charges are added. Texas tax dollars at work.
Quote:FLDS Update: CPS Workers Talk About Investigation
Reported by: Kristen Clark
Thursday, Jun 12, 2008 @07:46am CST
It's been a week now since more than 400 YFZ ranch children left foster care across the state to be returned to their parents who are members of the polygamist Fundamentalist Mormon Church.
Even though the children are no longer in state custody, for Child Protective Services workers in San Angelo the investigation into child abuse continues.
Because of the ongoing investigation - Supervisor Angie Voss could not comment on the specifics of the case, but she and other investigators say they still believe the original decision to remove the children from the YFZ ranch was the right one.
Angie Voss, CPS Supervisor, " A combination of things happened within the first two hours that caused me great concern for the children. I don't know how to describe it if you weren't there - the atmosphere and the feeling of it. It's not a place for children."
For the past two months CPS investigators in San Angelo have been sorting thru the massive amount of evidence- what was once a conference room has now been turned into a taskforce center. Dozens of computers help investigators compile the information.....Photos of various FLDS members are on the walls with notes about dates of birth and possible marriage dates.
Paul Dyer a Special Investigator with the department, says not being able to talk about the case is difficult.
Paul Dyer, Special Investigator, CPS," Thru investigation we know things that no one knows and we just wish they did and at some point they will, but it's hard...Beyond our large workroom where we are all working, fact is not known and then you have people that are giving opinion and there's a big difference between opinion and fact."
Since the first week in April when they first entered the ranch, investigators have been working late nights and long weekends. Tina Martinez says having the support of her family has made it easier for her to spend so much time on this case...
Tina Martinez, CPS Investigator, "My family knows I would not give up time with my children if I had an inkling that we weren't doing the right thing, and that there is so much that we need to do. They know I wouldn't give up that time with them."
Paul Dyer, "My immediate family and friends know that I wouldn't
be committed to this if it didn't warrant it. If it wasn't something real and something very important. Thru 27 years as a detective at the Police Department this has been the hardest investigation I've ever been involved in bar none."
State law required a hearing to be held 14 days from when investigators first went in.... but since it took 5 days to get all the children off the ranch, that left investigators with a little more than a week to interview and gather evidence on the more than 400 children.
Angie Voss, "I wish I could testify now to what I know now, because so much more has come to light that has validated everything that we thought. And one thing I do remember saying when I was on the stand is that I think we've hit the tip of the iceberg and I'm certain of that now."
Even though a court order allowed the children to return to the ranch....Voss insists the investigation has not ended...
Angie Voss, "We continue to find more information that makes us feel even more strongly about the cause and the initial call and the initial reasons that we went onto the ranch and we are still in here fighting."
http://conchovalleyhomepage.com/content/fulltext/?cid=6301
Texas CPS employees....being found and affirmed that they acted illegally will never mute their righteousness. Charging the state $14 million plus for an illegal act....o'well, they mean well. It is all in a day's work.
The do gooders can't get their mind around the fact hat these girls don't think that they have been abused, and like the rest of the families want to be left alone. Nope, no can do.
Quote:Mothers in polygamous sect selling FLDS fashions online
182 commentsby Jaimee Rose - Jul. 2, 2008 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
Polygamy's pop-culture moment now extends to the closet. FLDS women are offering their handmade, old-fashioned children's clothing for sale online - long underwear, slips and all.
At FLDSDress.com, pastel-pink dresses and denim overalls mirror the clothing that intrigued the nation when authorities raided the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Texas in April, taking children into custody while investigating charges of underage marriage and child abuse.
There are $65 "teen princess" dresses that stretch from ankle to wrist, long pajamas and matching robes, all sewn by the mothers themselves, even some in Arizona's own polygamist enclave of Colorado City.
Sales of the clothing will help the Texas FLDS women pay rent and support their families. Now displaced from their homes at the ranch, most of them are still in the midst of a child-abuse investigation, and lawyers have advised them to establish their own households.
Mothers originally created the site so Texas officials could get FLDS-approved clothing for the children while they were in state custody. Turns out other people were interested, too.
"We're used to our clothing not being popular," said Maggie Jessop, 44, an FLDS member who helps coordinate the sewing efforts. "(But) we've had many, many people say that they would like to have their children be more modest and have expressed interest in our modest lifestyle."
"There were a lot of people that asked, 'Where can I purchase those clothes?' " said Cynthia Martinez, spokeswoman for Texas RioGrande Legal Aid, which represents 48 of the mothers.
Paul Murphy, spokesman for the Utah Attorney General's Office, finds the FLDS women's fashion offerings quite smart.
"It's very clever," he said. "With all the issues that are going on, most of the media attention has been about the way they dress and the way they wear their hair.
"I give them credit for going where the interest is."
FLDSDress.com has dispatched packages to California, Iowa, New York, Washington, and even Arizona, Maggie Jessop said, and not just the FLDS-heavy Colorado City area, either.
The FLDS wardrobe puzzled and captivated America as events unfolded in Texas. The poufed hairstyles, long dresses and buttoned-up shirts are mandated by jailed FLDS leader Warren Jeffs, who disallows patterned fabric and the color red. The FLDS members wear the clothing as a symbol of their faith.
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is part of a group that split from the Mormon Church in 1890 over the practice of polygamy. Those who have fled the polygamist sect have long accused it of conducting underage marriages and other abuse.
Jeffs was convicted in September of being an accomplice to rape, charges stemming from his role in marrying a girl to her first cousin. In April, reports of pregnant teenagers and underage marriages sent Texas authorities swarming the YFZ Ranch. They pulled 449 children away from the arms of their parents, and mournful mothers appeared on morning talk shows, pleading for their children. Their efforts turned public sympathy in favor of the polygamists, and the FLDS capitalized on that with many fundraising Web sites.
Just three days after the children were separated from their mothers, Texas Gov. Rick Perry's office logged 449 comments that opposed the separation and just 32 in support, according to a report in the Salt Lake Tribune.
Polygamy itself is a hot talking topic across the nation these days. The HBO series Big Love provides a fictionalized version of life as a plural wife. Grey's Anatomy star Katherine Heigl is set to star in the movie version of former FLDS member Carolyn Jessop's memoir, Escape, and Carolyn is working on the script with screenwriters now. She fled the sect and her plural marriage in 2003. Her story about leaving Colorado City topped bestseller lists during the Texas raid.
Carolyn sewed costumes for Big Love, and since the Texas raids, has been approached by others who want such clothes to wear as costumes on Halloween.
"They even want me to help them comb a wig up (in the FLDS style), Carolyn said. "That's the other thing those guys ought to be doing, selling wigs with the face frame (hairstyle) already done."
The FLDS women don't mind if their wardrobe inspires a Halloween trend.
"If some people want to act weird, that's their problem, not ours," Maggie said. And a beauty lesson could be arranged, she added.
FLDS women have a long history behind the sewing machine. For years, they staffed a clothing factory in Colorado City and sewed things like uniforms in addition to handcrafting all the clothing worn by their families.
Clothing sold on their Web site is cut out at the sewing factory on the ranch in Texas and then sent in pieces to the mothers across the state for completion.
Carolyn Jessop applauds the women for finding a way to support themselves and tiptoe toward independence.
"When 100 percent of their (financial) support is coming from the (FLDS) church, that makes them 100 percent dependent on the church," she said. "If they realize they have a skill that is marketable ... they might realize they could do it outside of the church."
Familiar with FLDS financial practices, Carolyn is concerned that the funds the women earn with their clothing sales won't end up in the mothers' pockets.
According to an FLDS spokesman, the women are paid per item sewn, and if they draw in more revenue than is needed to cover expenses, it is shared with other families.
"If people who purchase (the clothing) would at least request that they make the check out to the woman who made the garment," Carolyn said, "then this could be a really positive
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/02/20080702FLDSDress.html
Sure, let's throw some Carolyn Jessop quotes into the story so that she can pitch her book and heap some more slander upon the FLDS women. According to her, they don't believe what they say they believe, all they need is a little wake-up in the form of realizing (because they obviously don't know) that they have skills plus a check in their name. Who knew??
It remains to be seen if they are going after individuals who abused individual girls, or if they are still trying to fight a culture war. The FLDS has a good legal team, the state will need to prove cases to get convictions. Finding people will be only the first of many problems. They never did find out who made the calls. which does not inspire confidence in their abilities. Neither does the raid, the snatching of the children, the leaks, the lies...
Hope they git 'em.
Hopefully they won't be abusing kids during their stays with deluded worshippers.
AUSTIN - Five indicted men from a polygamist sect in West Texas have surrendered to authorities, Attorney General Greg Abbott announced today.
The five were among six sect members indicted last week by a grand jury in the West Texas town of Eldorado with offenses relating to the sect's practice of marrying minor girls to adult men.
Four of the men and Warren Jeffs, leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who also was indicted, were charged with felony sexual assault of a child.
Another man was charged with failing to report child abuse.
Previously, only Jeffs, who is jailed in Arizona awaiting trial on similar charges, had been identified by the attorney general's office.
Jeffs was convicted of similar offenses in Utah last year.
Abbott said the investigation is continuing and could result in additional charges.
The Texas criminal charges followed a three-month investigation that began with Texas Child Protective Services raiding the group's West Texas ranch in April to remove more than 400 children because of suspected child abuse.
The children eventually were returned to their parents following a Texas Supreme Court ruling, but they remain under court protection and monitoring by the state.
edgarblythe wrote:AUSTIN - Five indicted men from a polygamist sect in West Texas have surrendered to authorities, Attorney General Greg Abbott announced today.
The five were among six sect members indicted last week by a grand jury in the West Texas town of Eldorado with offenses relating to the sect's practice of marrying minor girls to adult men.
Four of the men and Warren Jeffs, leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who also was indicted, were charged with felony sexual assault of a child.
Another man was charged with failing to report child abuse.
Previously, only Jeffs, who is jailed in Arizona awaiting trial on similar charges, had been identified by the attorney general's office.
Jeffs was convicted of similar offenses in Utah last year.
Abbott said the investigation is continuing and could result in additional charges.
The Texas criminal charges followed a three-month investigation that began with Texas Child Protective Services raiding the group's West Texas ranch in April to remove more than 400 children because of suspected child abuse.
The children eventually were returned to their parents following a Texas Supreme Court ruling, but they remain under court protection and monitoring by the state.
Halleluljah.
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of child sexual abuse as a tenet of these cults.