Thanks for posting that, Wandel. Hawkeye, the Rapist Boy, was stomping about claiming that i didn't know what the Hell i was talking about. He then supported exactly what i had alleged, that the Texas compound was founded by FLDS members who were adherents of Warren Jeffs. As the source you here present also confirms, polygamy as well as child abuse if a possible basis for charges against the membership. My comment was not that i knew for a fact that polygamy would be one of the charges brought, just that i thought it would be likely.
Under the terms of the FLDS, Warren Jeffs is the sole person with the power to perform marriages, and he can punish members by "reassigning" wives to other members. Furthermore, the "church" is held to own all property, all of the homes, in any area in which its members reside. To attempt to separate Jeffs from the FLDS as though there were a rational, separate membership which is not associated with Jeffs is simply bullshit.
wande-
How on earth can "underage" pregnancy be a problem to an evolutionist.
"Underage" is a religious concept designed specifically to inhibit evolutionary principles for social reasons.
You have a foot in both camps.
Judging from wande's quote there are a lot of jobs being created by this mess, which I think the result of faulty upbringings.
And a lot of other messes being thereby sidelined for reasons too sordid to go into.
Setanta wrote:Thanks for posting that, Wandel. Hawkeye, the Rapist Boy, was stomping about claiming that i didn't know what the Hell i was talking about. He then supported exactly what i had alleged, that the Texas compound was founded by FLDS members who were adherents of Warren Jeffs. As the source you here present also confirms, polygamy as well as child abuse if a possible basis for charges against the membership. My comment was not that i knew for a fact that polygamy would be one of the charges brought, just that i thought it would be likely.
Under the terms of the FLDS, Warren Jeffs is the sole person with the power to perform marriages, and he can punish members by "reassigning" wives to other members. Furthermore, the "church" is held to own all property, all of the homes, in any area in which its members reside. To attempt to separate Jeffs from the FLDS as though there were a rational, separate membership which is not associated with Jeffs is simply bullshit.
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A judge on Thursday gave a special fiduciary more authority over a polygamous community's trust, including the power to defend the fund against lawsuits and to collect money from residents to pay taxes on the group's property on the Arizona Strip.
Third District Judge Denise Lindberg granted the increased power to manage the assets of the United Effort Plan (UEP) to Bruce Wisan, who has warned of the possibility of property sales and evictions of residents in Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., if the trust is unable to cover an upcoming $1.2 million tax bill.
The judge also granted a request made by Wisan and the Utah and Arizona attorneys general to hold off on appointing new trustees to the UEP, an arm of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Lindberg agreed that she needed more information on nominees before deciding who and how many to appoint.
Who will control sect's $100 mil?The two dozen nominees have 20 days to provide more background information, including financial data and statements about why they want to serve as trustees (see box). Interested parties then will have time to file objections or statements of support for candidates.
A hearing is set for Oct. 25, when Lindberg could name three to nine trustees or forgo appointments and leave the trust's management to Wisan.
Lindberg took the matter under advisement after after hearing arguments from lawyers representing various candidates and interested parties. Many alleged that most candidates have a conflict of interest that would affect their work. In a report filed Tuesday, Wisan said most of them are viewed by the FLDS faithful as dissident, apostate or anti-polygamy crusaders.
The nominees range from anti-polygamy activists, including Flora Jessop, to Winston Blackmore, a Canadian formerly associated with the FLDS. One nomination is for the �dream team� of outgoing Dixie State College President Robert Huddleston, certified public accountant Gregory Kemp and physician Craig Booth; their lawyers argued they would provided neutral oversight.
Don Timpson, a nominee who is affiliated with the Centennial Park community near the twin cities, agreed with the judge's decision.
"I think she did exactly what she had to do," he said. "It's a big trust and it's better to do it right."
But Carl Holm Jr., a nominee who left Colorado City years ago, said the disclosure requirements are just a way "to eliminate a lot of people from the board of trustees. I don't know how they figure there are so many qualifications to represent the people down there. Somebody is going to get rich."
Wisan is being paid $205 an hour for his work. His accounting firm and his lawyers also are being paid at their standard rates.
Nearly all the land, homes and buildings in the twin cities are held in the UEP trust set up by the FLDS, which considers plural marriage a central tenet of the faith. About 8,000 followers in the community are considered at-will tenants by the church, which thought of improvements such as new construction and remodels as donations. In the past, the church sought cash donations from members to pay tax bills.
Wisan has valued the Hildale-Colorado City property at $91.6 million. The FLDS also has established outposts in Texas and Colorado.
Wisan was appointed on May 27 to inventory and protect UEP property after Utah and Arizona officials became alarmed by the FLDS' purported attempt to transfer two pieces of property without receiving any compensation for the trust.
Wisan filed suit in May to stop the transfers. His attorney, Jeffrey Shields, said Thursday he is close to finalizing a deal to sell the land, which could bring about $1.5 million to the trust.
Authorities also were alarmed by the failure of UEP trustees and FLDS President Warren Jeffs to defend against three lawsuits, two in state and one in federal court.
The defendants could lose by default, which means the plaintiffs could get damages that would deplete the trust and potentially cost residents their homes.
The trustees, including Jeffs, were stripped of their power in June. Jeffs, who also faces sex charges in Arizona, has not been seen publicly in the past year and a half and his whereabouts are unknown. He is wanted on state and federal warrants and there is a $10,000 reward for information leading to his arrest.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11927/judge-expands-power-of-flds-trust-fiduciary
You are so out of the loop that you don't even know that the "church" property is owned by a trust which has been controlled by a judge since 2005. How about you learn about the FLDS before you endeavor to speak about it???
How about you learn the English language, jackass. I didn't say the church legally owns the property, i was pointing out that according to FLDS dogma, the church owns the property.
It really galls you that you've accused me of not knowing what i'm talking about, but failing to demonstrate it, doesn't it. What makes you so familiar, Rapist Boy--are you an FLDS member? Leaving aside you inability to effectively use English, what makes you think you're expert on this subject? Which one of your adolescent wives told you all about it?
edgarblythe wrote:SAN ANGELO — Four polygamist sect families are refusing to cooperate with Texas Child Protective Services and could lose their eight children a second time, according to court documents filed today.
The action, detailed in sworn statements from caseworkers, offers the first real peek inside the sexual abuse investigation that started March 28 with a purported phone call from inside the sect's West Texas ranch to a women's shelter in San Angelo. That call, now considered a hoax, sparked the largest child abuse investigation in the nation and locked the child welfare agency in a battle with the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the largest breakaway Mormon sect in the country.
On its face, the filing is no different that hundreds of others filed in Texas courts each year when parents retreat from the CPS bargaining table and refuse to cooperate. But it is the additional documents, including the caseworkers' own affidavits and children's diaries, that paint a picture of exactly what the state is up against in this case.
Any more info on this, Edgar?
This little snippet was just posted. I imagine there will be more very soon.
Setanta wrote:How about you learn the English language, jackass. I didn't say the church legally owns the property, i was pointing out that according to FLDS dogma, the church owns the property.
It really galls you that you've accused me of not knowing what i'm talking about, but failing to demonstrate it, doesn't it. What makes you so familiar, Rapist Boy--are you an FLDS member? Leaving aside you inability to effectively use English, what makes you think you're expert on this subject? Which one of your adolescent wives told you all about it?
The FLDS does not control the trust legally or in any other way. With the cooperation of FLDS members the trust is looking towards selling off all or some of the property to individual members. The fact that the FLDS once held that all property must be owned by the church is ancient history, no longer relevant, and does not relate to current FLDS ideology on property ownership. The FLDS did not change their minds completely with their own free will, they were pushed, but yet again they have shown themselves to be open to change and to reason.
(mormon) senator harry reid likens polygamist sects to THE MOB !
Quote:chicagotribune.com
Polygamist sects likened to moba "form of organized crime" that have spread into numerous states, as well as Canada and Mexico.
read in full :
SOURCE
Quote:"I believe Warren Jeffs ran the FLDS Church and the UEP as an organized crime-type setup," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said Monday. "We just have to get the evidence to prove it."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060509/ai_n16354600
from may, 2006
It would be a stretch to believe that harry Reid is capable of an original thought. He might want to not copy Shurtleff as the UEP has been controlled by the courts for a few years, and even with all of their efforts law enforcement agencies have not been able to prove much in the way of illegal activity with the UEP while the church controlled it. The conclusion is that the FLDS was largely incompetent of running the trust well, which is a different kettle of fish.
Quote:Second Texas official linked to FLDS raid steps down
By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 07/11/2008 12:42:45 PM MDT
The director of the Texas Department of Public Safety announced today he will step down in August.
Col. Thomas A. Davis Jr. issued a one-sentence statement that read: "After 43 years and 9 months with the Texas Department of Public Safety, I am retiring on Aug. 31, 2008."
The Houston Chronicle connected Davis' departure to lack of confidence in the director following an arson fire at the historic Governor's Mansion in June. The building, which was undergoing renovations, was destroyed.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry and lawmakers had been critical of the department's management in a subsequent legislative hearing, the newspaper said.
Davis is the second Texas official to announce retirement plans in the past month. Carey Cockerell, director of the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, announced June 26 he also will leave on Aug. 31.
The two state agencies oversaw the raid on the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Eldorado in April, which led to removal of some 440 children.
After two months in state custody, two Texas courts ruled the state lacked sufficient evidence to continue to keep them. They were returned to their parents, members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, in early June.
Criminal and child welfare investigations are
continuing in Texas.
Early estimates of the cost of the state action exceeded $14 million.
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9851924
Heads should roll after the gross incompetence shown by Texas in the handling of the FLDS, as I have said before. Justice is sweet.
Quote:SAN ANGELO, Texas " Child Protective Services has revised the number of children it took into state protective custody following the raid on the Fundamentalist LDS Church's YFZ Ranch.
Texas CPS now believes it had 439 children in state custody, not 440 as the agency has reported for months.
"There isn't a simple explanation for that number changing by one child," Texas CPS spokesman Patrick Crimmins told the Deseret News on Friday. "It's been a very complicated case, it remains a complex case, and we think that number is 439 instead of 440."
The number of children from the Utah-based polygamous sect still involved in the nation's largest child custody case will continue to change rapidly as boxes filled with nonsuit filings continue to stack up in the court clerk's office here. As of Friday, CPS said it has filed to nonsuit 268 individuals, including the 26 "disputed minors" whom the agency initially believed to be children but were really adults. Approximately 197 children remain the subject of pending lawsuits.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,5143,700256619,00.html
Five months later they don't know how many kids they snatched because it is "a complicated case"? Bullshit, they don't know because the entire action was bungled by the state of Texas.
@hawkeye10,
Quote:The Utah Supreme Court has reversed Warren Steed Jeffs' two convictions on charges of rape as an accomplice and ordered a new trial, saying that instructions given to jurors were erroneous
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The defense has always maintained that marrying someone, encouraging them to make their marriage work and "be fruitful and multiply ... that is not the same thing as saying to a husband, 'I'm encouraging you to rape your wife,' " Bugden said.
He said he had not had a chance to speak to Jeffs but planned to do so Tuesday afternoon.
Assistant Utah Attorney General Laura Dupaix told CNN affiliate KSTU that the opinion is "going to make it difficult, I think, for us to do future prosecutions in cases where some of these men in positions of power -- almost complete power, like Warren Jeffs is -- to prosecute them for forcing young girls into these marriages. I think that's really the part of this opinion that is most disappointing for us."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/27/utah.polygamy.ruling/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
That the state invented law to get an unpopular person is no surprise at all, as the legal profession has become very slipshod and vengeful, but that the trial court got overturned is quite the shocker, at least to me.