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What Makes Philosophy Worthwhile?

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 10:41 pm
Vikorr, it sounds like what you want is an ideology, a dogma that smacks of certitude--a securely closed rather than an insecurly open mind.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 11:22 pm
How do you arrive at that conclusion JL?
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 11:23 pm
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 06:16 pm
That's what your thesis says to me.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:21 pm
I'm rather fascinated by how you can 'see' a thesis in such little information, my having only said a tiny part of what I believe.

Does curiosity then seek certitude? Curiosity can only exist in uncertainty, can it not?

Does seeking a practical application mean the philosophy I look for has to be set in stone? Or perhaps that I can act on the most useful information I have, knowing that it might be imperfect or even wrong?

Does having an 'issue' with things that lack practical use mean I seek ideology? Or rather that I find things with no practical use, useless? (which is what such is by defnition)

I am still rather interested in hearing your explaination as to how you arrived at your conclusion, if you are at all able to explain such (your statement/conclusion does have an explanation), for I don't see how you arrived at it.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:33 pm
Vikorr, my impression derives from your emphasis on being "sure" of how to act because of conceptual clarity, i.e, having a secure map for action.
I read that from the following:
"Put another way, I have a beef with philosophy when it makes people indecisive/inactive, but enjoy it when it can be put to use in peoples lives (to be acted on).

"Being indecisive/inactive is not the same as being 'calmer' (which is a good thing), but rather that it should work both ways - to bring calmness, and also bring clarity/passion/meaning to action."

If I misinterpreted you, I apologize.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:39 pm
Ah I understand now - you associated 'certainty', and 'being sure' with what I said. It wasn't meant that way. Thanks for the explanation.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 08:06 pm
Thank YOU. Your civility is refreshing.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 08:22 am
Quote:
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.
-Francis Bacon, Advancement of Learning
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 08:38 am
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Each of us has an intellectual dimension to his experience. We need ideas as much as we need food, air or water. Ideas nourish the mind as the latter provide for the body. In light of this, it's clear that we need good ideas as much as we need good food, good air, and good water.
-Tom Morris, If Aristotle Ran General Motors
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 08:47 am
not having read the treatises on this thread, i can just speak for myself: anything that makes me forget time and space and elevate me into the space of thought is attractive to me. it's like a parallel reality, the one where the physical don't matter.
i'd even correct francis bacon and say if you're willing to begin with uncertainties, you'll surely end up with more uncertainties and that is good. death is certainty,nthing attractive there.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 08:58 am
Thanks for the thoughts, dagmaraka.

For me, the act of asking questions is alone worthwhile even if we never attain certainty. Skill in critical analysis is developed by considering the same unanswerable questions which people have asked for centuries.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 10:39 am
My problem with the FEELING of certainty is that I do know how certain I can be that my feeling is well founded. Nevertheless, it does feel good not to feel doubt in some instances.

Frankly, I FEEL that death is the solution to all problems.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 11:34 am
sure is, if a particularly glum one... especially for those of us for whom there's no afterlife.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 02:16 pm
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The field of philosophy may be reduced to four questions:

1. What can I know?

2. What ought I to do?

3. For what may I hope?

4. What is a human being?

-Immanuel Kant
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 05:23 pm
That Manny was such a fuddy duddy.

Dagmaraka, remember: for me it is not a "glum" solution because not only is there no afterlife (or before birth) there is no "me" to be in a state of oblivion. There is just the Universe (?), just as before I was born--and now.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 05:38 pm
Just had an odd thought - What is a 'problem'?
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2008 05:40 pm
Wow!, now THAT'S a problem!
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 02:01 pm
A problem is basically a job undone.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2008 12:29 pm
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People who understand Plato say that the Florentines misunderstood him, and that their philosophy is most unsound. But in one respect at all events they used him rightly. Through him they recaptured for the world one of the secrets of ancient Greece - the secret of civilized conversation. The Middle Ages had separated serious discussion from daily life, confining it to the study and the lecture room and the hall of disputation. Florence, like Athens, summoned it into the open air, and bade it take its chance against birds and trees, evolve, if it could, from a dinner or a game of fives, yield, if it must, to a dance or to a song.

-E.M. Forster, "Gemistus Pletho"
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