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What Makes Philosophy Worthwhile?

 
 
Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 04:42 pm
wandeljw wrote:
Chumly and JLN,

This is how Karl Popper explained the importance of philosophy for science:
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....in almost every phase of the development of science we are under the sway of metaphysical - that is, untestable - ideas; ideas which not only determine what problems of explanation we shall choose to attack, but also what kinds of answers we shall consider as fitting or satisfactory or acceptable, and as improvements of, or advances on, earlier answers.
This claim presupposes the application of the body of techniques called the scientific method, but it's not so cut and dry.

Often enough a discovery happens quite by accident, or if not fully so, then to some fair degree. I speculate that these happy accidents are a lot more common than the final dry scientific rationalizations would have some believe.

Then there is the pure trial and error methodology, in which it would seem again that choice and preconceptions are exempted, at least to some fair degree. I speculate that these pure trial and error methodologies are a lot more common than the final dry scientific rationalizations would have some believe.

I could be dead wrong about all this but consider as but one honest example Accidental Science
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 06:00 pm
Chumly, no doubt (fortuitous) accident plays a role in the context of scientific DISCOVERY, but in the context of JUSTIFICATION, the systematic testing of hypotheses is very careful, formal and rigorous. I've been talking about Science as an ideal type, but in the actual course of knowledge acquisition--in it prehistorical and historical phases--trial and error and accidental discovery have been critical. It is truistic that the acquisition of knowledge did not begin with the invention of the scientific method, although the latter has made the process far more efficient and productive. The formative periods of Man's technological development were incredibly slow by today's standards.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 06:36 pm
I am not as sanguine as (perhaps?) you re: justification.

Witness magnetism - even after centuries of science, magnetism remains dimly seen, poorly understood and mostly unknown; however the applied effects of magnetism in our modern world are huge! Or am I on the wrong track here?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 06:46 pm
Chumly wrote:
I am not as sanguine as (perhaps?) you re: justification.

Witness magnetism - even after centuries of science, magnetism remains dimly seen, poorly understood and mostly unknown; however the applied effects of magnetism in our modern world are huge! Or am I on the wrong track here?


Re magnetism.....I believe that the current evidence is that earth's magnetic poles regularly switch and that the science understanding of this can be summed up as ......WTF!
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 12:24 am
I'm sure some of you have already seen this interesting piece from the New York Times:



In a New Generation of College Students, Many Opt for the Life Examined
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 04:53 am
Thanks for the interesting article, Shapeless. Recently on a train, I heard two college students discussing trends in cognitive science.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 11:26 am
Excerpt from Political Thinking: The Perennial Questions (Glenn Tinder, University of Massachusetts)

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How does a person go about thinking? I shall offer a few suggestions in this introduction. Help of this kind, however, is necessarily of limited value. Much of the trying nature of thoughts results from the impossibility of thinking according to teachable techniques. Although much is said about "teaching students to think," a teacher can do little more than offer encouragement and criticism. The appearance of an idea is a mysterious occurrence, and it is doubtful that anyone does, or ever will, understand just how it happens.

But a student can learn to think. My reason for saying that no one can be taught to think is to focus at the outset on the dependence of the entire process on the student's own solitary efforts. It is both the glory and the burden of thought that it is an exceedingly personal undertaking. The solitude of the mature thinker must be entered into immediately by the beginner. As the mature thinker thinks all alone, the beginner must learn to think all alone. Occasionally one may receive a gift of encouragement or useful criticism, but nothing is decided by these gifts. Everything depends on the capacity for solitary effort.

It follows that little instruction in the art of thinking can be offered beyond suggestions such as the following.

1. Do not try to arrive at ideas no one has ever thought of before. Even the greatest thinkers have rarely done that. The aim of thinking is to discover ideas that pull together one's world, and thus one's being, not to give birth to unprecedented conceptions. An idea is your own if it has grown by your own efforts and is rooted in your own emotions and experience, even though you may have received the seeds from someone else and even though the idea may be very much like ideas held by many others.

2. Be open. Ideas cannot be deliberately produced like industrial products. They appear uncommanded, they occur, as we recognize when we say, "It occurred to me that..." You place yourself in a fundamentally wrong relationship with ideas if you assume you can control their appearance. You can only be open to them.

3. Do not hurry. Initial efforts to think about a problem are often completely frustrating. They may best be regarded as a tilling of the ground; time is required before anything can be expected to grow.

4. Make plenty of notes. It is easier to work with your mind if you are doing some corresponding work with your hands. It is often helpful to make notes on large pads where there is room for sketching out patterns of ideas. It can also be helpful to make notes on cards and then to cut up the cards so that each idea is on a small piece of card. These can then be laid out on a desk and rearranged. Often this process suggests new connections among your thoughts.

5. Beware of substituting reading for thinking. Reading about the thoughts of others is not the same as having thoughts of your own. To be sure, to engage in thinking you need some acquaintance with the thoughts of others. The great thinkers inspire, provoke, confirm, and in other ways help you do your own thinking. But to think you must at some point lay down the book and strike out on your own.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 03:14 pm
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Specifically, philosophy means and includes five fields of study and discourse: logic, aesthetics, ethics, politics and metaphysics.

Logic is the study of ideal method in thought and research: observation and introspection, deduction and induction, hypothesis and experiment, analysis and synthesis -- such are the forms of human activity which logic tries to understand and guide. It is a dull study for most of us, and yet the great events in the history of thought are the improvements men have made in their methods of thinking and research.

Aesthetics is the study of ideal form, or beauty. It is the philosophy of art.

Ethics is the study of ideal conduct. The highest knowledge, said Socrates, is the knowledge of good and evil, the knowledge of the wisdom of life.

Politics is the study of ideal social organization (it is not, as one might suppose, the art and science of capturing and keeping office). Monarchy, aristocracy, democracy, socialism, anarchism, feminism -- these are the dramatis personae of political philosophy.

And finally, metaphysics (which gets into so much trouble because it is not, like the other forms of philosophy, an attempt to coordinate the real in the light of the ideal) is the study of the "ultimate reality" of all things: of the real and final nature of "matter" (ontology), of "mind" (philosophical psychology) and of the interrelation of "mind" and "matter" in the processes of perception and knowledge (epistemology).

-- Will Durant, "The Pleasures of Philosophy"
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 03:27 pm
Sorry but the author is a real airhead! He says: "The appearance of an idea is a mysterious occurrence, and it is doubtful that anyone does, or ever will, understand just how it happens."

That is one muddy piece of thinking!

How can the author presuppose to have knowledge of the future limits of knowledge? Talk about circular silliness!
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2008 10:41 am
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We live in two worlds: (1) the sensible world of the common perceptual objects that we move around and use in various ways and (2) the intelligible world of ideas, the common objects of thought that we cannot touch with our bodies or perceive with our senses, but that, as thinking individuals, we can discuss with one another.

-- Mortimer J. Adler
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2008 02:11 pm
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If we survey early Greek philosophy with a modern scientific eye, certain pieces of it look familiar. The pre-Socratic inquiry into the shape and arrangement of the cosmos, its origin, or its fundamental ingredients reminds us of questions still investigated in modern astrophysics, cosmology, and particle physics. However, other pieces of early philosophy look considerably more foreign. Working scientists today do not inquire whether change is logically possible or where true reality is to be found; and it would be a considerable feat to turn up, say, a physicist or chemist who worries about how to balance the respective claims of reason and observation. These matters are no longer talked about by scientists. Does it follow that the early philosophers who devoted their lives to such questions were "unscientific," perhaps even misguided or dim-witted?

....Themes such as the identity of the ultimate reality, the distinction between natural and supernatural, the source of order in the universe, the nature of change, and the foundations of knowledge are quite different from the explanation of small-scale observational data (say, the descent of a heavy body, a chemical reaction, or a physiological process) that have occupied scientists for the past few centuries; but to be different is not to be insignificant. At least until Isaac Newton, these larger themes demanded as much attention from the student of nature as did the problems that now fill up a university course in science. Such questions were interesting and essential precisely because they were part of the effort to create a conceptual framework and a vocabulary for investigating the world. There were foundational questions; and it is often the fate of foundational questions to seem pointless to later generations who take the foundations for granted. Today, for example, we may find the distinction between the natural and supernatural obvious; but until the distinction was carefully drawn, the investigation of nature could not properly begin.

From: The Beginnings of Western Science, David C. Lindberg
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2008 03:42 pm
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Philosophy is not, I think, a body of truths, but a way of thinking and living. It might not make you happy - but it does embody that
courageous openness and questioning that is perhaps the noblest feature of human beings.

Without philosophy, as far as one's basic beliefs are concerned one will just end up believing what one is given. The duty of a philosopher is
to free people to think for themselves.

-John Shand
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2008 05:46 pm
And the duty of society, is to bind people to the mores of the day; arguably the antithesis of free thinking.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2008 06:10 am
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The duty of a philosopher is
to free people to think for themselves.


Well, in that sense, the philosophy of any given person is as helpful to me as the jogging trip that person took before sitting down with his thoughts.

My point is that we fool ourselves. No one can think for you, and that goes for philosophers as well as politicians and religious authorities.

Had you said "the duty of philosophy"... it would have been a different matter.

I know some philosophers that cannot think for themselves. They are philosophers because they've studied what we call philosophy, and can't really think for themselves beyond recalling what this or that dead guy said about this or that subject.

Philosophy is a tricky slope...
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Chumly
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2008 10:51 am
Cyracuz wrote:
No one can think for you.....
Sadly, I must entirely disagree. The reliance on others to make decisions on one's behalf is a foundation of society.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2008 04:20 pm
I agree with you on that.

What I mean is that if you have a sense of something inexplicable, something you think could tie together many lose ends and settle many questions about your own existence and your perception of it, there is no way to come to an understanding of what it is other than to think about it with your own power of mind.

Some questions do not have answers. The true philosophical questions cannot even be properly fitted into words.
Those questions we live, and we become the answers, and this is what philosophy is really about, as I see it.
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DavidIg
 
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Reply Sun 18 May, 2008 12:50 am
Re: What Makes Philosophy Worthwhile?
wandeljw wrote:
Debates on issues of philosophy are often protracted and often fail to reach a decisive resolution. What is it, then, that makes philosophy worthwhile?


For me, it's been the ability to manipulate woman into having sex with me.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 11:26 am
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The essential characteristic of philosophy, which makes it a study distinct from science, is criticism. It examines critically the principles employed in science and in daily life; it searches out any inconsistencies there may be in these principles, and it only accepts them when, as the result of a critical inquiry, no reason for rejecting them has appeared.

-Bertrand Russell, The Problems of Philosophy
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 08:42 pm
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Philosophy is fun: it makes life a theoretical problem, and, as such, a source of joy and object of wonder.


No wonder I have problems with philosophy - the only two reasons I indulge in it is for curiosity, but also as a way to improve my interaction with life - and from that perspective I'm only interested in the practical applications of philosophy.

Put another way, I have a beef with philosophy when it makes people indecisive/inactive, but enjoy it when it can be put to use in peoples lives (to be acted on).

Being indecisive/inactive is not the same as being 'calmer' (which is a good thing), but rather that it should work both ways - to bring calmness, and also bring clarity/passion/meaning to action.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 10:40 pm
Vikorr, it sounds like what you want is an ideology, an dogma that smacks of certitude--a securely closed rather than an insecurly open mind.
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