Boys, I've been reduced to speechlessness by the power of your "arguments" (thank God I can still type...)
Jean Paul Sartre anecdotal? He was a cardinal in the Atheist Church, a guru of the secularist religion, a pastor of lost souls seeking to remain lost but together. He probably even was your patron saint...
[For those of you with a Jewish background (or interested in women issues), check the story of the Jewish-atheist philosopher Edith Stein, who became a Catholic, a nun, and was killed by the Nazis in a concentration camp...]
So, again,
SETANTA:
The real question is: Why an enlightened, totally redeemed, fully emancipated, afraid-of-nothing, thoroughly rational, free-thinking, self-possessed, self-made, self-confident, self-sufficient, self-filled, atheist-secularist would ever become a Christian?
Maybe "the light" is not as definitive as you think? Not as convincing as you take it to be? Not as solid as you
believe? Not as trustworthy as you trust? Perhaps atheism can be also put into question by those who remain open minded? Perhaps the old objections against Christianity become meaningless for those who do not stop searching?
And this means that, maybe, one day, even you could become a Christian too... :wink: [hey, you never know...]
Unless, of course, your embrace atheism passionately, blindly and fanatically, as many do...
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Quote:No, the real question is why an benighted, self-doubting, dependent, indoctrinated, constantly trepidacious, always irrational Catholic would ever become an atheist--although, of course, the answer is self-evident.
If the answer is self-evident, then it is not a real question... [are we indulging in empty rhetoric here?
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Quote:You have no argument here, as Craven and I and so many others have pointed out.
You've pointed out several one or two liners, and plenty of visceral, deeply-felt, suspiciously angry adjectives. Arguments? Not one.
Quote:You quote your superstitions, and call this open-mindedness...
Begging the question. Typical among blind believers.
Quote:...as though you were somehow a bold thinker...
Bold? Of course! :wink:
Quote:...freeing yourself from the bonds of thousands of years of rigid atheism...
Not me but the types like you (at least, trying to).
It must be a very deep sadness, for I don't feel it. [Hey, you don't seem to be too happy either... angry sounds more like it... Is atheism to blame?]
Quote:who cannot progress beyond the bounds of a truly monolithic and rigid institutionalized superstition.
Save your creed for your fellow brothers.
Quote:Save your cutesy crap like the "lol" and the "wink"...
It's free.
Quote:...for the adolescent types on-line...
You sound pretty... ahem... "youthful" to me.
Quote:i'll not bother because its a waste of time for a closed mind like yours...
You bothered alright with this one...
Quote:which never has explored other possibilities than your superstition.
You seem to know a lot about me. Are you spying on me?
Quote:it is truly pathetic...
Boy, you're a passionate man!
Quote:portray yourself as an original thinker....
Did I?
Quote:swimming against the tide.
That's for sure.
Quote:This is not your thread, and i'll participate as i please--but i'll not repsond to you any longer...
All I can say is I'll continue to miss your powerful arguments.
Quote:because you offer nothing but faded, shop-worn ideas...
And you have plenty of adjectives. I wonder why you take this soooo personally.
Quote:and your only rhetorical devices are to sneer, to set up pathetic straw men you are confident of knocking down, and to dress up your rigid traditionalism as a new freedom of thought.
Traditionalism? Absolutely! Rigid? Wrong. A lot of anger on your part? You bet!
Quote:Last you'll hear from me, you're not worth my time.
Well, you certainly invested a lot of energy in this long message...
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