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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 12:48 pm
You do realize that at least some of what you're suggesting is literally treason. Not "oh, they've said something that could be interpreted as giving support to a potentially unfriendly country," not "they were caught singing 'War, hoo! What is it good for!' in the shower". Come on, acts of sabotage? Actively getting your fellow soldiers killed in combat? If that's what you support, I hope nobody's supporting YOU.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 02:45 pm
Let me uphold the moral, civilized citizen who serve in Army.

Those who had risked their life for no cause have my sympathy but not respect.
Those who had approved a barbaric war are the worst people around the globe.
Blueflame
I appreciate your decency.
Rama
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 03:50 pm
Avatar ADV, I realize Bushie lied us into this war and that is as big a crime as a man could commit. I fully support the IAVA.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 03:56 pm
Blueflame
In USA some are born Great
Some achive greatness by hard work.
And for some greatness thrust upon.
You are the first and my regards to you sir
Rama
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 04:12 pm
What? If they didn't want to be bullet sponges (are they actually getting hit with bullets, it's mostly just be IED's) they should've taken student loans like I did. Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die. Buy the ticket take the ride, maholo.

I mean, what good is an army that thinks for itself? If they're involved, the decision has been made. Enfranchisement, that I'm all about, me and Mr Heinlein, but the lack thereof don't make the conflict of ideologies go away. If all Iraq did was sort out the lightweights, and get people thinking before they go and sign up for the GI bill, then it's worth it as a matter of national security and to streamline military spending.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 04:22 pm
hanno, you're premise that our soldiers are bullet sponges says it all about you. Bushie lied them into war and should be prosecuted for that.
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 05:43 pm
Are you seriously suggesting that members of the military have a responsibility to pass judgment on the quality of their civilian leadership? I can guarantee you, you will not like where that takes the nation. For a good historical example, try reading Japanese history from the '20s and '30s...
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rabel22
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 05:49 pm
Your right. Solders don't have the right to vote or express their right to free speech unless their superiors tell them how to express themselves and how too vote.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 05:49 pm
before starting the world mis-adventure should we not get informed about the American HERITAGE ?
I mean the history of YOU YES AH= usa
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 06:27 pm
http://ivaw.org/faq Why we're against the war
Q: Why are veterans, active duty, and National Guard men and women opposed to the war in Iraq?

A: Here are 10 reasons we oppose this war:

The Iraq war is based on lies and deception.
The Bush Administration planned for an attack against Iraq before September 11th, 2001. They used the false pretense of an imminent nuclear, chemical and biological weapons threat to deceive Congress into rationalizing this unnecessary conflict. They hide our casualties of war by banning the filming of our fallen's caskets when they arrive home, and when they refuse to allow the media into Walter Reed Hospital and other Veterans Administration facilities which are overflowing with maimed and traumatized veterans.
For further reading: www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/index.html

The Iraq war violates international law.
The United States assaulted and occupied Iraq without the consent of the UN Security Council. In doing so they violated the same body of laws they accused Iraq of breaching.
For further reading:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/imtconst.htm
http://www.westpointgradsagainstthewar.org/

Corporate profiteering is driving the war in Iraq.
From privately contracted soldiers and linguists to no-bid reconstruction contracts and multinational oil negotiations, those who benefit the most in this conflict are those who suffer the least. The United States has chosen a path that directly contradicts President Eisenhower's farewell warning regarding the military industrial complex. As long as those in power are not held accountable, they will continue...
For further reading:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0714-01.htm
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/

Overwhelming civilian casualties are a daily occurrence in Iraq.
Despite attempts in training and technological sophistication, large-scale civilian death is both a direct and indirect result of United States aggression in Iraq. Even the most conservative estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths number over 100,000. Currently over 100 civilians die every day in Baghdad alone.For further reading:
http://www.nomorevictims.org/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70A1EF73C5A0C758DDDA10894DE404482

Soldiers have the right to refuse illegal war.
All in service to this country swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, they are prosecuted if they object to serve in a war they see as illegal under our Constitution. As such, our brothers and sisters are paying the price for political incompetence, forced to fight in a war instead of having been sufficiently trained to carry out the task of nation-building.
For further reading:
http://thankyoult.live.radicaldesigns.org/content/view/172/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qa6ZHYcG_EM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dAXQeH7y9g&mode=related&search=
http://girights.objector.org

Service members are facing serious health consequences due to our Government's negligence.
Many of our troops have already been deployed to Iraq for two, three, and even four tours of duty averaging eleven months each. Combat stress, exhaustion, and bearing witness to the horrors of war contribute to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), a serious set of symptoms that can lead to depression, illness, violent behavior, and even suicide. Additionally, depleted uranium, Lariam, insufficient body armor and infectious diseases are just a few of the health risks which accompany an immorally planned and incompetently executed war. Finally, upon a soldier's release, the Veterans Administration is far too under-funded to fully deal with the magnitude of veterans in need.
For further reading:
http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/
http://www.vets4vets.us/

The war in Iraq is tearing our families apart.
The use of stop-loss on active duty troops and the unnecessarily lengthy and repeat active tours by Guard and Reserve troops place enough strain on our military families, even without being forced to sacrifice their loved ones for this ongoing political experiment in the Middle East.
For further reading: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_loss_092704,00.html

The Iraq war is robbing us of funding sorely needed here at home.
$5.8 billion per month is spent on a war which could have aided the victims of Hurricane Katrina, gone to impoverished schools, the construction of hospitals and health care systems, tax cut initiatives, and a host of domestic programs that have all been gutted in the wake of the war in Iraq.
For further reading:
http://www.costofwar.com

The war dehumanizes Iraqis and denies them their right to self-determination.
Iraqis are subjected to humiliating and violent checkpoints, searches and home raids on a daily basis. The current Iraqi government is in place solely because of the U.S. military occupation. The Iraqi government doesn't have the popular support of the Iraqi people, nor does it have power or authority. For many Iraqis the current government is seen as a puppet regime for the U.S. occupation. It is undemocratic and in violation of Iraq's own right to self-governance.
For further reading:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

Our military is being exhausted by repeated deployments, involuntary extensions, and activations of the Reserve and National Guard.
The majority of troops in Iraq right now are there for at least their second tour. Deployments to Iraq are becoming longer and many of our service members are facing involuntary extensions and recalls to active duty. Longstanding policies to limit the duration and frequency of deployments for our part-time National Guard troops are now being overturned to allow for repeated, back-to-back tours in Iraq. These repeated, extended combat tours are taking a huge toll on our troops, their families, and their communities.
For further reading:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-military12jan12,0,7198945.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 06:55 pm
Blueflame
we both had warned in ABUZZ before this nasty war.
NYT had sang some wishsy washy dancing goody goody song.
WP as well.
Of ourse blunders were made( Recollect the German history under the non smoker but gas chamber vegitarian commander in Chief)

We both stick to our views and I am proud that i know you thro Abuzz.

Let me kiss your feet with regards
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