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Obama: Trust Me to End the War

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Wed 19 Mar, 2008 11:19 am
Obama: Trust Me to End the War

AP foreign, Wednesday March 19 2008

By MATT APUZZO

Associated Press Writer

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. (AP) - Barack Obama suggested Wednesday that Hillary Clinton could not be trusted to end the Iraq war because she only started opposing it when she began her bid for president.

In a speech not far from North Carolina's Fort Bragg military base, the Democratic presidential hopeful told military families and local officials that the war has emboldened al-Qaida, the Taliban, Iran and North Korea.

``Ask yourself,'' Obama told the crowd, ``Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?''

Obama used the five-year anniversary of the Iraq invasion to again cast himself as the only true anti-war candidate. He has criticized Clinton for voting to authorize the use of force against Iraq and pointed out he openly opposed the invasion as a state lawmaker.

Clinton has countered that Obama lacks the experience to be commander in chief, a common refrain during the run-up to her wins in the Ohio and Texas primaries. Obama wants to change the question from one of experience in Washington to one about judgment.

He said Clinton and likely Republican nominee John McCain talk tough on national security yet they make decisions that leave the country less secure.

``This is why the judgment that matters most on Iraq - and on any decision to deploy military force - is the judgment made first.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7397532
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 11:10 am
If President, Obama will do what his military adviers suggest he do.

How come so few votes? Sad
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 12:24 pm
In my opinion, this war HAS been over since the day we stopped looking for WMD. The real question is when will the police action end.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 12:25 pm
Miller wrote:
If President, Obama will do what his military adviers suggest he do.

How come so few votes? Sad


Good question Miller. I think people here are just pretending to support Obama (to avoid racism), but in reality, they'll vote to Hillbilly or McCain.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 12:39 pm
If the question asked who will really try to end the war I would have answered Obama.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 01:20 pm
The war will be ended when enough people around the world (including Iraq) stand up and demand it. The better question is which of the candidates will listen to the people rather than repeat Cheney's "so?"
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 01:28 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
If the question asked who will really try to end the war I would have answered Obama.


Can he take a stand?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 24 Mar, 2008 08:03 pm
You people should learn Democracy and the virtues of democracy from Afganisthan and Iraq where your kids are torturing the people because they are not the innocent JESUS.
Export not a product freedom (French statue in NY )
and democracy (a Greek word)
Import some culture from other countries.
Sip your coca coca cola light and bite your big Mac
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 06:10 am
Ramafuchs wrote:
You people should learn Democracy and the virtues of democracy from Afganisthan and Iraq where your kids are torturing the people because they are not the innocent JESUS.
Export not a product freedom (French statue in NY )
and democracy (a Greek word)
Import some culture from other countries.
Sip your coca coca cola light and bite your big Mac


We do not live in a democracy.

Maybe you should learn about our form of government before you try to criticize. Rolling Eyes
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 06:57 am
woiyo wrote:
Ramafuchs wrote:
You people should learn Democracy and the virtues of democracy from Afganisthan and Iraq where your kids are torturing the people because they are not the innocent JESUS.
Export not a product freedom (French statue in NY )
and democracy (a Greek word)
Import some culture from other countries.
Sip your coca coca cola light and bite your big Mac


We do not live in a democracy.

Maybe you should learn about our form of government before you try to criticize. Rolling Eyes


Yep, our founding fathers detested mob rule - that's why they formed this Republic.





Who will really end the war? I'll go out on a limb and say the US Military will end the war.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 03:33 pm
Quote:
Obama: Trust Me


Not a chance, little man.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 07:33 pm
I don't think there is a war. Any day that the U.S. wants to honker down in the green zone, the war is over. Whether the Iraqis continue to kill each other is their business.

Assuming McCain is elected, and our military stays, then the hostilities will end like any self limiting disease. The insurgents will realize they cannot get the U.S. out of Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if some new players get involved. Then the insurgents will have realized that they had it much better with just the U.S.

But, like any good silent movie serial (The Perils of Pauline), we will all await the outcome. Also, being the 21st century, let's not base our assumptions on 20th century logic.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 07:52 pm
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/kdelmo1/Nope.jpg
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2008 07:55 pm
Let there be some mothers to rewrite the constitution of USA.
Bush had opined the international law is not according to American Interest.
What a lousy time we all live allow this barbarism.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 19 Apr, 2008 05:26 pm
http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3649&start=60
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2008 03:06 pm
@Ramafuchs,
I am very notorius in internet chat forum as a sharp cut and paste critic.
The above title is about Obama's role as an elected President to stop war.
Here is one British author who touches this subject .
This article and the responses to this article will engage you for atleast one hour to read the whole.
Let me quote the first 3 paragraphs.

It amuses me that some of those who criticise the present US Administration for its Manichaeism - its division of the world into good and evil - themselves allocate all past badness to Bush and all prospective goodness to Obama. As the ever-improving myth has it, on the morning of September 12, 2001, George W. and America enjoyed the sympathy of the world. This comradeship was destroyed, in a uniquely cavalier (or should we say cowboyish) fashion, through the belligerence, the carelessness, the ideological fixity and the rapacity of that amorphous and useful category of American flawed thinker, the neoconservative. They just threw it away.

But there isn't anything that can't be fixed with a sprinkling of genuine fairy dust. What Bush lost, Obama can find. Where the Texan swaggered, the Chicagoan can glide. Emotional literacy will replace flat iteration, persuasion will supplant force as the preferred means of achieving what needs to be achieved, empathy will trump narcissism. Those who hate America may find their antipathy waning, those who were alarmed by unilateralism will warm to softer, moral leadership. A new dawn will break, will it not?

Some on the Left are getting their count-me-outs in already, realising that Mr Obama is, after all, a big-game hunter, a full-trousered American candidate. They, I think, are more realistic than those who manage on one day to laud the Democrat as not being a real politician, and on the next to praise him for his sensible left-trimming when seeking the party's nomination and his equally sensible centre-hugging once it was in the bag. I say the antis are more realistic because, eventually, we will hate or ridicule Mr Obama too - provided, of course, that he is elected and serves two full terms.

So Barack Obama, en fĂȘte around the world, will one day learn that there is no magical cure for the envy of others. What makes America the indispensable power (and even more indispensable in the era of the new China), is precisely what makes anti-Americanism inevitable.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article4374704.ece

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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 01:02 am
@Zippo,
No one, but a horse's ass would trust Obama.
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