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Iraq war's cost: Loss of U.S. power, prestige, influence

 
 
Zippo
 
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Iraq war's cost: Loss of U.S. power, prestige, influence

March 15, 2008

WASHINGTON -- It was a decision that only President Bush had the power to make: At about 9 a.m. on March 19, 2003, in the Situation Room in the basement of the West Wing of the White House, he gave the "execute order" to begin Operation Iraqi Freedom, the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

Now, five years later, the consequences of that act will soon be beyond Bush's grasp. In 10 months, they'll land on the desk of his successor.

Thanks in part to the Iraq war, the next U.S. president -- Republican or Democrat, black or white, man or woman -- will take office with America's power, prestige and popularity in decline, according to bipartisan reports, polls and foreign observers.

"The winner of the 2008 elections will command U.S. forces still at war in Iraq, Afghanistan and against elusive terrorists with a deadly reach. The U.S. economy will remain burdened. ... America's moral leadership and decision-making competence will continue to be questioned," begins a study of foreign-policy choices for the next president, which a Georgetown University task force released last month.

"Restored respect will come only with fresh demonstrations of competence," the study said.

The numbers don't inspire confidence: Oil prices are at an all-time high, the dollar at new lows against the euro. Surveys find the United States' popularity and respect slipping in every part of the globe except Africa. A poll of 3,400 active and retired U.S. military officers by Foreign Policy magazine found that 88 percent agreed with the statement that "The war in Iraq has stretched the U.S. military dangerously thin."

Not all of the challenges facing Bush's successor can be blamed on the invasion and the failure of civilian leadership to plan for what would happen next in Iraq.

There are other forces at work, foreign-policy specialists say, including an increasingly globalized economy with new centers of wealth and power, China's rise and the growth of Islamic extremism.

The federal government's inept response to Hurricane Katrina dealt another blow, causing some prominent U.S. allies to question not America's intentions or its wisdom, but its competence, a prominent Arab ruler once told a top U.S. diplomat.

But because of the invasion of Iraq, "America's strategic position in the world has worsened," said Josef Joffe, the editor and publisher of Die Zeit, a German weekly that's sympathetic to United States. "From a coldly realist perspective, Iraq was the wrong war against the wrong foe at the wrong time."

The removal of Saddam Hussein strengthened Iran and "by entangling itself in an interminable civil war, the U.S. has lost power to spare," Joffe said.

Bush has never wavered in defending the most fateful choice of his presidency.

"The decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision early in my presidency, it is the right decision at this point in my presidency and it will forever be the right decision," he told religious broadcasters earlier this month.

With improvements in security in much of Iraq over the last year, it still seems possible that the country could someday experience stability and even prosperity, thanks to its vast oil deposits.

"The prognosis in Iraq is potentially a lot more promising than it's been in a long time," said Stephen Biddle of the Council on Foreign Relations, who was in Iraq in March and April 2007 as part of commander Gen. David Petraeus' staff.

But even under the best of circumstances, tens of thousands or more U.S. troops may be needed to stabilize Iraq throughout the next president's first term -- and beyond.

That could limit the next president's options, even as he or she deals with more basic questions about how to restore the United States' standing in the world.

U.S. credibility also has been undermined, at home and abroad, by the administration's false claims about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and ties to al Qaida prior to the Iraq war.

Several recent blue-ribbon panels recommended that the next president make major changes in how the United States deals with the world.

He or she, they said, should rely more on "soft" or "smart " power, such as diplomacy, promoting U.S. values and rebuilding alliances; use persuasion rather than coercion to achieve goals when possible; and invest more in non-military tools such as public diplomacy and foreign aid.

More provocatively, they advocate replacing the "war on terrorism" -- which has colored virtually every aspect of Bush's foreign policy -- as the focus of American security strategy. Instead, they say, the United States should be the leader in advancing peace, liberty and prosperity worldwide.

"Since 9/11, the United States has been exporting fear and anger rather than the more traditional values of hope and optimism. Suspicions of American power have run deep," Richard Armitage, deputy secretary of state under Bush, and Joseph Nye, a Pentagon official under President Clinton, wrote in a December report published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"At the core of the problem is that America has made the war on terrorism the central component of its global engagement," they wrote.

That doesn't mean going soft on terrorists, said Chester Crocker, the co-chairman of the separate Georgetown University report, which also called for a new guiding principle for U.S. foreign policy.

But Crocker, an assistant secretary of state for Africa under President Reagan, said the war on terrorism has inflamed suspicions of U.S. motives, forced Washington to look the other way when its counterterrorism allies engage in bad behavior themselves, and led to an over-focus on the Middle East.

"Obviously, we can't ignore these hotspots," he said. But "if all we really care about is what's going on in the struggle within the Islamic world, we're not a world power anymore."

Many specialists also advise a more subtle, patient and less hectoring approach when it comes to advancing global democracy, which was one of the justifications Bush gave for invading Iraq.

Instead, the invasion "set it back in multiple senses," said Larry Diamond, a Stanford University expert on democracy promotion and author of the new book, "The Spirit of Democracy."

"Number one, it didn't go well," he said. U.S. efforts to spread democracy "were equated with insecurity, violence, refugees." Arab autocrats then used the specter of instability to argue against political liberalization.

"We have to approach the whole thing on fresh terms," Diamond said, with a strategy that "is incremental, that is more gradual, that doesn't over-reach."

Crafting a new foreign policy may not be easy, even for a new president making a fresh start.

"Europeans may delude themselves in thinking that their problem was with Bush, the president, and not with America, the superpower," said Joffe, the German publisher and academic. But the next president "will still be at the helm of the mightiest nation on earth, one that faces more threats and has more means to combat them than anybody else."

Said Crocker: "We are substantially leveraged or mortgaged by legacies" such as Iraq. "The next president has to figure out a way to dig out of this hole."

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Bush's legacy will be that of destruction of two nations for no good reason, the destruction of the US economy, and the destruction of the reputation of this country almost beyond repair.

This will be the grim, but completely honest, assessment of Bush's presidency when future generations examine the history of this period.

He will be remembered as the president who most failed the American people in many, many generations.

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hanno
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 09:18 pm
'within deadly reach'? what the hell is that? Our lads have got Hummers, UAV's and M4's and they have turbans and IED's. What would our prestige be if we took 9/11 and didn't lash out at someone who'd spent the previous 8-years begging for it? Don't tell me everything would be beautiful - We'd be hearing **** like 'that's why they hit the towers' like it's really supposed to make us change our act.

Yeah, I know, we're bullies and the rest of the world thinks we're a joke - I ain't ashamed, if they laugh at me in my grave they won't understand what they're laughing at - we live way they couldn't live even if they had the balls to.

Influence? Yeah, I think we've still got that. They can whine and give us crap, and we take it because we're not tyrannical, but we get what we need or nobody's happy. Not because we keep them on a leash but because after 60 years they still wouldn't know what to do without us. Power? You can't compare an army that's been put through its paces to one that hasn't, even if they are spread thin and every day brings us closer to Heinlein's dream.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 05:45 am
hanno, I hope you and your family members won't be leaving the U.S for about 100 years. Because the chance of you getting your face or skull smashed by a base-ball bat is very high, 95%?. Just stay in-side the U.S - warn all your buddies.

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War in Iraq Badly Damages US Image Internationally

By Michael Bowman
Washington
17 March 2008


The image of the United States has suffered as a result of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein. Opinion surveys show international approval of the United States at all-time lows. VOA's Michael Bowman reports form Washington, America's continued involvement in Iraq remains a major irritant in global perceptions of the United States.

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You want to know about anti-Americanism in the world? Here's the unhappy conclusion of a big-time panel of Republican and Democratic heavyweights, out yesterday: "America's reputation, standing, and influence are at all-time lows, and possibly sinking further."

Never in our history, says the report, have we, as a nation, been so poorly regarded in the world. And that has consequences. When America tries to lead, who follows? And if America stands too much alone, can it possibly prosper? Can it ever be safe?

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 06:36 am
I see an awful lot of people burning American flags with their faces covered... What's up with that?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 08:51 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I see an awful lot of people burning American flags with their faces covered... What's up with that?


More than likely the stench that comes from burning something rotten.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 09:07 pm
[quote="hanno"]'within deadly reach'? what the hell is that? Our lads have got Hummers, UAV's and M4's and they have turbans and IED's. What would our prestige be if we took 9/11 and didn't lash out at someone who'd spent the previous 8-years begging for it? Don't tell me everything would be beautiful - We'd be hearing **** like 'that's why they hit the towers' like it's really supposed to make us change our act.

Yeah, I know, we're bullies and the rest of the world thinks we're a joke - I ain't ashamed, if they laugh at me in my grave they won't understand what they're laughing at - we live way they couldn't live even if they had the balls to.

Influence? Yeah, I think we've still got that. They can whine and give us crap, and we take it because we're not tyrannical, but we get what we need or nobody's happy. Not because we keep them on a leash but because after 60 years they still wouldn't know what to do without us. Power? You can't compare an army that's been put through its paces to one that hasn't, even if they are spread thin and every day brings us closer to Heinlein's dream.[/quote]


Please World, do not judge all Americans by this arrogant, clueless Bozo who probably never leaves his bunker except to buy a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon and another round of shotgun shells. Half of us didn't vote for Bush Co., and the majority of us wish Bush and his supporters would just go back to the darkest depths of Mordor from which they came.

Counting the days until regime change in Washington and to getting this country back on track...
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Zippo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Mar, 2008 05:50 am
Green Witch wrote:
[quote="hanno"]'within deadly reach'? what the hell is that? Our lads have got Hummers, UAV's and M4's and they have turbans and IED's. What would our prestige be if we took 9/11 and didn't lash out at someone who'd spent the previous 8-years begging for it? Don't tell me everything would be beautiful - We'd be hearing **** like 'that's why they hit the towers' like it's really supposed to make us change our act.

Yeah, I know, we're bullies and the rest of the world thinks we're a joke - I ain't ashamed, if they laugh at me in my grave they won't understand what they're laughing at - we live way they couldn't live even if they had the balls to.

Influence? Yeah, I think we've still got that. They can whine and give us crap, and we take it because we're not tyrannical, but we get what we need or nobody's happy. Not because we keep them on a leash but because after 60 years they still wouldn't know what to do without us. Power? You can't compare an army that's been put through its paces to one that hasn't, even if they are spread thin and every day brings us closer to Heinlein's dream.
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Please World, do not judge all Americans by this arrogant, clueless Bozo who probably never leaves his bunker except to buy a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon and another round of shotgun shells. Half of us didn't vote for Bush Co., and the majority of us wish Bush and his supporters would just go back to the darkest depths of Mordor from which they came.

Counting the days until regime change in Washington and to getting this country back on track...[/quote]

Thank you Ms Witch. Laughing

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anton
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 12:35 am
Green Witch wrote:

Please World, do not judge all Americans by this arrogant, clueless Bozo who probably never leaves his bunker except to buy a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon and another round of shotgun shells. Half of us didn't vote for Bush Co., and the majority of us wish Bush and his supporters would just go back to the darkest depths of Mordor from which they came.

Counting the days until regime change in Washington and to getting this country back on track...


Regime change won't change anything, you still haven't got an effective government opposition and too many lobby groups have their fingers in the congressional pie, not the least being the Israeli Lobby Group. All Americans should get out into the world to discover what you haven't got; the world would be better off without your ignorance and arrogance.

To get a place in American politics you must at least be a millionaire and that isn't healthy in any language.
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hanno
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 02:57 am
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 08:53 am
JTT wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I see an awful lot of people burning American flags with their faces covered... What's up with that?


More than likely the stench that comes from burning something rotten.


JTT = Jeremiah Wright, Jr.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 03:37 pm
It is the most barbaric war in the name of Demoracy, decency.
It is barbaric because of the barbarians who had waged this nasty war.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 07:57 pm
Iraq citizens are awaiting the American tourists with love and affection.
I know what i type.
It is not shiboleth
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