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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 05:08 am
Brandon9000 wrote:


It looks interesting, but if such a large revolution is in the offing, why do we hear nothing about it?


You are hearing about it, or at least the precursors. The wholesale and massive changes that need to take place within the economy as a whole will happen incrementally.

What you need to realise is that for a real alternative to oil to present itself there needs to be changes to transport which means researching new or modified propulsion systems, research and acceptance of new agricultural systems, research into processing industry to proceess the fuels. etc etc etc.

Its a chicken and egg situation. No - one will put the time and money into motor vehicals unless there is a fuel system and no-one will put the time into a fuel processing system unless there is a raw product to work with and no-one will plant the enormouse amounts of land required with crops unless there is a real prospect of a transport system that can use the fuel.
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 05:25 am
http://www.environmental-expert.com/files/11226/events/2675/bioenergylogo150.gif

Event Type: Conference/Seminar
Date: May 27-29, 2008
Venue: Elmia
Location: Jönköping, Sweden

Organised biennially the main aim of World Bioenergy is to fast-track the commercial implementation of waste-to-energy and bioenergy technologies and solutions. This major global get-together is based on the unique "Taking you from Know-How to Show-How" concept, sharing best practice by combining conference sessions, fieldtrips and tradeshow into one comprehensive event.

The purpose of the event is to promote the commercial implementation of bioenergy technologies and solutions. By attending World Bioenergy, delegates not only expand their own Know-How horizons but also their Know-Who networks.

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Articals and case studies dealng with green energy
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Now you are really hearing about it.
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 05:35 am
A report by DAve Pimentel was featured in SLATE. Hes been studying synfuels for 30 years and hes a massive supporter of retorting the oil shale reserves which are over 6 Trillion barrels world wide and almost 3 trillion in the US alone
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ethanol critics have shown that the industry calculations are bogus. David Pimentel, a professor of ecology at Cornell University who has been studying grain alcohol for 20 years, and Tad Patzek, an engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, co-wrote a recent report that estimates that making ethanol from corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the ethanol fuel itself actually contains.

The two scientists calculated all the fuel inputs for ethanol production?-from the diesel fuel for the tractor planting the corn, to the fertilizer put in the field, to the energy needed at the processing plant?-and found that ethanol is a net energy-loser. According to their calculations, ethanol contains about 76,000 BTUs per gallon, but producing that ethanol from corn takes about 98,000 BTUs. For comparison, a gallon of gasoline contains about 116,000 BTUs per gallon. But making that gallon of gas?-from drilling the well, to transportation, through refining?-requires around 22,000 BTUs.

In addition to their findings on corn, they determined that making ethanol from switch grass requires 50 percent more fossil energy than the ethanol yields, wood biomass 57 percent more, and sunflowers 118 percent more. The best yield comes from soybeans, but they, too, are a net loser, requiring 27 percent more fossil energy than the biodiesel fuel produced. In other words, more ethanol production will increase America's total energy consumption, not decrease it. (Pimentel has not taken money from the oil or refining industries. Patzek runs the UC Oil Consortium, which does research on oil and is funded by oil companies. His ethanol research is not funded by the oil or refining industries*.)

Ethanol poses other serious difficulties for our energy economy. First, 8 billion gallons of ethanol will do almost nothing to reduce our oil imports. Eight billion gallons may sound like a lot, until you realize that America burned more than 134 billion gallons of gasoline last year. By 2012, those 8 billion gallons might reduce America's overall oil consumption by 0.5 percent. Way back in 1997, the General Accounting Office concluded that "ethanol's potential for substituting for petroleum is so small that it is unlikely to significantly affect overall energy security." That's still true today.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 06:03 am
FM as the artical in Slate says, It depends who you ask.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 08:48 am
The article by Pimentel is rather quantitative and really has no dog in the fight other than to consider an energy balance.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 01:24 am
heres a long night in front of the for for those so inclined.


S. Phillips, A. Aden, J. Jechura, D. Dayton and T. Eggeman (2007). Thermochemical Ethanol via Indirect Gasification and Mixed Alcohol Synthesis of Lignocellulosic Biomass. National Renewable Energy Laboratory. Prepared under Task No. BB07.3710. Technical Report NREL/TP-510-41168, 132pp. April 2007.

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy07osti/41168.pdf accessed 8th April 2008

Ethanol for under $1.00/gal. This contact was sent to me by a friend who would know whats real or otherwise
http://www.coskata.com/

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Coskata's process can produce up to 7.7 times more energy than what is used in making the ethanol. Corn-derived ethanol produces approximately 1.3 times the energy required (Argonne National Laboratory).
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