Another Hillary claim bites her in the ass

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And this time its the ultra liberal daily kos that is nailing her on her claim.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/9/111930/6389/50/472849

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By now, we all know how over-hyped are Hillary claims about her foreign policy experience - including her claims that she negotiated peace treaties and opened borders.

But there's also hype in her claims about domestic policy. Take, for instance, the claim on Hillary Clinton's web site that

As First Lady, she helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act

Now, that sounds like she worked hard to get the FMLA put into law, that her efforts really made a difference. However, this is patently untrue.

If you don't read this whole post, all you need to know is that Bill Clinton was inaugurated on January 20, 1993 and the FMLA was signed just sixteen days later, on February 5, 1993.

Even on her website she makes the claim...

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As First Lady, she helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act and helped found the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancies, which established and achieved a goal of reducing teen pregnancies by one-third between 1996 and 2005.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/women/

How can she seriously expect to be president when she makes claims like this, claims that she knows are patently untrue?

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I'd bet a paycheck that she can document a meeting or two on the schedule of the office of first lady (or what ever the title of her staff was), and thus claim it is technically true. She is the same one who calls every minute she spent married to Bill while he was President as experience for the Presidency, so what else would you expect Hillary say about this?

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mysteryman wrote:

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And this time its the ultra liberal daily kos that is nailing her on her claim.

It may well be gospel.

But it's amazing, no astounding, no, ... there is no word to describe this. The gall, the brass cojones, that you have, after 8 years and still to this day defending people who lie every time their mouth opens to speak.

Pray tell, do you oppose lying on moral grounds, do you oppose this based on your own high-minded principles?

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You should be demanding answers for these lies, MM, not making mountains out of molehills.

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They knew, but did nothing, missing from Commission report

In this exclusive extract from his new book, Philip Shenon uncovers how the White House tried to hide the truth of its ineptitude leading up to the September 11 terrorist attacks. .

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=113243

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Mysteryman.

You have a very strange definition of the word "Liberal". Clinton has never been liberal to anyone except for the hate radio attack machine (and their fans). She has always been a centrist.

Whether DailyKos is liberal depends on your definition of the word "liberal". They certainly aren't "ultra" liberal (unless you consider the 70% of Americans who think George Bush is a failure to be "ultra").

But a rant against "liberals" that lumps DailyKos and Hillary Clinton together is foolish.

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Please show me one time that I have defended lies.
If I have done so, it should be real easy to find.

I have defended the decision to go to war, based on my personal experiences in Iraq AND the information available at the time.
Since none of us know, nor will we ever know, exactly what information and discusions went into the actual decision, to say that all of the info was a lie is wrong.

Where it has been proven that the admin lied, I have not defended it.
Where it has been shown that the info was correct, I have defended it.

So, since you seem to think I have defended lies told by ANYONE, it should be real easy to find an example of that.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Mysteryman.

You have a very strange definition of the word "Liberal". Clinton has never been liberal to anyone except for the hate radio attack machine (and their fans). She has always been a centrist.

Whether DailyKos is liberal depends on your definition of the word "liberal". They certainly aren't "ultra" liberal (unless you consider the 70% of Americans who think George Bush is a failure to be "ultra").

But a rant against "liberals" that lumps DailyKos and Hillary Clinton together is foolish.

Hillary attempted to nationalize the entire health care sector and make paying for a doctor with private means a felony.

That's not centrist policy, it's socialism.

She supports forcing women to register for any future military draft.

That's not centrist policy either.

Don't ask us to pretend her ideas come from the political center, ebrown.

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Since none of us know, nor will we ever know, exactly what information and discusions went into the actual decision, to say that all of the info was a lie is wrong.

We might not know every single piece of evidence that passed the President's desk; but we do know of some dissenting evidence which was passed on to Bush but ignored by Bush before the war.

First Example

second example

There are more; but I don't want to clutter up the thread with unrelated stuff.

Daily kos might be liberal; but I rarely ever go to it unless linked to it by another source because I don't really find much in common with issues other than the Iraq war and Bush with them. Those issues transcend party lines. Trying to drag the word "liberal" into everything does you no credit. Since Hillary supported the war well after the war was ongoing when a lot of people were starting to change their minds; she is looked at as a centrist by those who are anti-Iraq war; which is probably why Daily Kos is dissing her. Whether that is accurate or not is another thing.

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Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 9:30am GMT 08/03/2008
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Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.
# Full coverage of the US Elections 2008
# David Trimble: Hillary Clinton mere "cheerleader" in Ireland

Hillary Clinton with the Rev Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness
Hillary Clinton with the Rev Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness after their meeting in Washington last year

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

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Hillary is a socialist? My single biggest complaint is that Hillary is a closet republican just like Bill.

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Dys

dyslexia wrote:

Hillary is a socialist? My single biggest complaint is that Hillary is a closet republican just like Bill.

A liberal Republican?

BBB

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BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Hillary is a socialist? My single biggest complaint is that Hillary is a closet republican just like Bill.

A liberal Republican?

BBB

No no... they are correct that Hillary is a Socialist.

In fact she is as socialist as John McCain.

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Since none of us know, nor will we ever know, exactly what information and discusions went into the actual decision, to say that all of the info was a lie is wrong.

We might not know every single piece of evidence that passed the President's desk; but we do know of some dissenting evidence which was passed on to Bush but ignored by Bush before the war.

First Example

second example

There are more; but I don't want to clutter up the thread with unrelated stuff.

I have never said that there was no dissenting evidence, I know there was.
But, the President has to choose what evidence he trusts more.
In every discussion, plan, or even a trial, there is always dissenting evidence reviewed and it is up to the people involved to determine if they wanted to accept it or not.
For example, in a jury trial, the prosecutor presents evidense and the defense lawyer presents dissenting evidence, and it is up to the jury to decide who is telling the truth.
Sometimes they believe the prosecutor, sometimes they believe the defense, and sometimes they are wrong in who they believe.

Do you honestly think that a convicted murderer should be automatically released because the defense team presented dissenting evidence during the trial?

Bush may or may not have looked at the dissenting evidence, we will never know.
But if he did, it is obvious that he didnt give it the credence that others thought it was worth.
And like a jury, he was wrong in his decision.

Daily kos might be liberal; but I rarely ever go to it unless linked to it by another source because I don't really find much in common with issues other than the Iraq war and Bush with them. Those issues transcend party lines. Trying to drag the word "liberal" into everything does you no credit. Since Hillary supported the war well after the war was ongoing when a lot of people were starting to change their minds; she is looked at as a centrist by those who are anti-Iraq war; which is probably why Daily Kos is dissing her. Whether that is accurate or not is another thing.

I called the Daily Kos liberal, not Hillary.

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real life wrote:

She supports forcing women to register for any future military draft.

Anyone with the least understanding of how women fulfill critical roles in the military should be supporting the same thing.

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DrewDad wrote:

real life wrote:
She supports forcing women to register for any future military draft.

Anyone with the least understanding of how women fulfill critical roles in the military should be supporting the same thing.

Agreed!!
Women like this one...

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FISNIK ABRASHI - Associated Press Writer

CAMP SALERNO, Afghanistan(AP) A 19-year-old medic from Texas will become the first woman in Afghanistan and only the second female soldier since World War II to receive the Silver Star, the nation's third-highest medal for valor.

Army Spc. Monica Lin Brown saved the lives of fellow soldiers after a roadside bomb tore through a convoy of Humvees in the eastern Paktia province in April 2007, the military said.

After the explosion, which wounded five soldiers in her unit, Brown ran through insurgent gunfire and used her body to shield wounded comrades as mortars fell less than 100 yards away, the military said.

"I did not really think about anything except for getting the guys to a safer location and getting them taken care of and getting them out of there," Brown told The Associated Press on Saturday at a U.S. base in the eastern province of Khost.

Brown, of Lake Jackson, Texas, is scheduled to receive the Silver Star later this month. She was part of a four-vehicle convoy patrolling near Jani Kheil in the eastern province of Paktia on April 25, 2007, when a bomb struck one of the Humvees.

Go to the AP online to see the article, dated 03/09/2008

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I have never said that there was no dissenting evidence, I know there was.
But, the President has to choose what evidence he trusts more.

No, numerous sources have said they made up their minds to invade Iraq and topple the regime and all the evidence and intelligence had to fit around that agenda; all else was ignored.

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my respect to you mysteryman
You were a good moderator in Kevin's chat forum
but unfortunately as a member of A2K you had not achieved your political views for attention
Why?
Think deeply and organize a holiday in Iraq.
let us chat their.
My views are critical but construtive for the future.
Rama

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