Sorry for the long C&Ps - anyone who reads my posts knows I don't make a habit of this. But please read one more by Andrew Sullivan:
It's alive! We thought it might be over but some of us never dared fully believe it. Last week was like one of those moments in a horror movie when the worst terror recedes, the screen goes blank and then reopens on green fields or a lover's tender embrace. Drained but still naive audiences breathe a collective sigh of relief. The plot twists have all been resolved; the threat is gone; the quiet spreads. And then . . .
Put your own movie analogy in here. Glenn Close in the bathtub in Fatal Attraction - whoosh! she's back at your throat! - has often occurred to me when covering the Clintons these many years. The Oscars host Jon Stewart compares them to a Terminator: the kind that is splattered into a million tiny droplets of vaporised metal . . . only to pool together spontaneously and charge back at you unfazed.
The Clintons have always had a touch of the zombies about them: unkillable, they move relentlessly forward, propelled by a bloodlust for Republicans or uppity Democrats who dare to question their supremacy. You can't escape; you can't hide; and you can't win. And these days, in the kinetic pace of the YouTube campaign, they are like the new 28 Days Later zombies. They come at you really quickly, like bats out of hell. Or Ohio, anyway.
Now all this may seem a little melodramatic. Perhaps it is. Objectively, an accomplished senator won a couple of races - one by a mere 3% - against another senator in a presidential campaign. One senator is still mathematically unbeatable. But that will never capture the emotional toll that the Clintons continue to take on some of us. I'm not kidding. I woke up in a cold sweat early last Wednesday. There have been moments this past week when I have felt physically ill at the thought of that pair returning to power.
Why? I have had to write several columns in this space over the years acknowledging that the substantive legacy of the Clinton administration (with a lot of assist from Newt Gingrich) was a perfectly respectable one: welfare reform, fiscal sanity, prudent foreign policy, leaner government. But remembering the day-to-day psychodramas of those years still floods my frontal cortex with waves of loathing and anxiety. The further away you are from them, the easier it is to think they're fine. Up close they are an intolerable, endless, soul-sapping soap opera.
The media are marvelling at the Clintons' several near-death political experiences in this campaign. Hasn't it occurred to them how creepily familiar all this is? The Clintons live off psychodrama. They both love to push themselves to the brink of catastrophe and then accomplish the last-minute, nail-biting self-rescue. Before too long the entire story becomes about them, their ability to triumph through crisis, even though the crises are so often manufactured by themselves. That is what last week brought back for me. The 1990s - with a war on.
Remember: Bill Clinton could have easily settled the Paula Jones lawsuit years before he put the entire country through the wringer (Jones sued Clinton for sexual harassment alleged to have occurred while he was governor of Arkansas).
Recall: Hillary Clinton could have killed what turned out to be the White-water nonstory at the very outset by disclosing everything she could (the scandal centred on a controversial Arkansas property deal).
Consider: the Clintons could have prepared for primaries and caucuses after February 5 - so-called Super Tuesday, when 24 states held their presidential nomination vote - as any careful candidate would. They chose not to do any of these things. Not because they are incompetent. But because they live to risk.
Politics is also their life. They know nothing else. Most halfway normal people in politics could at some point walk away. Reagan seemed happy to. Not the Clintons. In the words of the American-based British writer Christo-pher Hitchens, these are the kind of people who never want the meeting to end. Hillary Clinton will never concede the race so long as there is even the faintest chance that she can somehow win.
They endure all sorts of humiliation - remember the taped Clinton deposition in the Ken Starr investigation (in which Clinton admitted to the inquiry headed by the far-right prosecutor that he had had an "improper physical relationship" with Monica Lewinsky)? Hillary's dismissal of the Lewinsky matter as an invention of the right-wing conspiracy? - because they know no other way to live. They have been thinking of this moment since they were in college and being a senator or an ex-president or having two terms in the White House are not sufficient to satiate their sense of entitlement. Even if they have to put their own party through a divisive, bitter, possibly fatal death match, they will never give up. Their country, their party . . . none of this matters compared with them.
The patterns are staggeringly unaltered. Last Thursday The Washing-ton Post ran an article reporting on the almost comic divisions within the Clinton camp: how chaotic the planning had been, how much chief pollster Mark Penn hated all the other advisers, how even in the wake of a sudden victory most of the Clintonites were eager to score rancid points off each other.
The secrecy and paranoia endure too. Releasing tax returns is routine for a presidential candidate. Barack Obama did it some time back. The Clintons still haven't - and say they won't for more than another month. Why? They have no explanation. They seem affronted by the question.
When you look at the electoral map if the Clintons run again, you also see a reversion to the old patterns of the 1990s - the patterns that cynical political strategists such as Karl Rove and Dick Morris have been exploiting for two decades. The country - scrambled by the post-baby-boomer pragmatism of Obama - snaps back into classic red-blue mode, with the blue areas denoting Democratic-leaning states around the edge and true red Republican states in the heartlands.
The Clintons are comfortable with this polarisation. They need it. Even when running against a fellow Democrat, they instinctively reach for it. Last week, in response to the Obama camp's request that they release their tax returns, Clinton's spokesman called Obama a new Ken Starr. For the Clintons, all Democrats who oppose them are . . . Republicans. And all Republicans are evil.
And evil means that anything the Clintons do in self-defence is excusable - even playing the race card, and the Muslim card, and the gender card, and every sleazy gambit that the politics of fear can come up with. This is how they have arrested the Obama juggernaut. It's the only game they know how to play.
One is reminded of the words of Bob Dylan: "And here I sit so patiently / Waiting to find out what price / You have to pay to get out of / Going through all these things twice."
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:I thought about exactly that edgar as i was riding home in my truck just now. Now, tell me if I'm wrong but aren't you also a member of the great "uneducated class"?
Come on over here in the corner with me and put on this dunce cap... we'll throw back a few shots and when the edumacated class gets finished killing each other we'll haul off with their plasma tv's and latte machines :wink:
I am one of the great uneducated, unwashed, etc., etc. Actually, I quit school as I approached my 16th birthday. Did get a GED while serving in the Navy and attended a few college classes in 1963 or 4. Read a lot and brooded nd pondered a lot.
Right now, Democrats are not doing themselves any favors by tearing into their least favored candidates that way.
Ed, have you actually SEEN much mean-spirited reference to "uneducated" folks, or are you reacting to a reaction?
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:nimh wrote:Yeah, it's unfair. She's been hunted down for a decade by the rightwing smear machine. If it turned her into a mean, ruthless politico who will stop at nothing - an "attack dog" - it's only understandable, at some level.
Doesnt mean, however, that just to make up for it you then want to elect that embittered attack dog as President, tho.. not unless you're feeling very reckless.
here's where we part company... I believe Hillary would leave that baggage at the door...
What makes you think she would?
her focus, determination and ability to navigate. I also just don't think she has the patience to waste time on as much feel good crap as obama. I think she wants to get things done, which is considered a masculine trait, which explains a lot about the vicious way people have treated her over the years. IMO.
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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:several weeks, in fact a couple of months ago i posted to these boards that all this in fighting and nastiness among the candidates towards Hillary... which is EXACTLY how this started... not Hillary with dirty tricks but EVERY potential nominee slamming her in every debate and at every opportunity.... from the time they were 8 candidates in the race, to now when she is admittedly got the gloves off.... was just writing all the general election smear ads for the republicans and was a bad idea.
I was ridiculed for this viewpoint, particularly by the Obama supporters.
well now that's exactly what everyone's talking about in print, media and here too, the fact that the democratic well is being poisoned by all this nastiness.
I knew I should have gotten a college degree, then I could be part of the "educated" class and someone might listen to me occasionally.
What a laugh riot this is turning out to be...
I remember that post and I also remember the response. You were asked to show where any of the candidates, especially Edwards and Obama, were taking Clinton to task on anything other than the issues. You sputtered, circled about and failed. I think the issues are fair game. If Clinton wants to say she is better prepared on day one, great. If she wants to imply that a black man can't succeed without a strong white President, that seems out of bounds. If Bill Clinton wants to say that Obama's success is due to black voters and imply he has no appeal to a broader audience, that seems inappropiate. If Clinton staffers want to email letters saying Obama is a secret Muslim trying to subvert the US, that seems beyond the pale. Nor should Obama minions be calling Clinton a "monster" in the foreign press. Still, your claim of victimhood on the behalf of Senator Clinton is a little stretched.
edgarblythe wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:I thought about exactly that edgar as i was riding home in my truck just now. Now, tell me if I'm wrong but aren't you also a member of the great "uneducated class"?
Come on over here in the corner with me and put on this dunce cap... we'll throw back a few shots and when the edumacated class gets finished killing each other we'll haul off with their plasma tv's and latte machines :wink:
I am one of the great uneducated, unwashed, etc., etc. Actually, I quit school as I approached my 16th birthday. Did get a GED while serving in the Navy and attended a few college classes in 1963 or 4. Read a lot and brooded nd pondered a lot.
Right now, Democrats are not doing themselves any favors by tearing into their least favored candidates that way.
ahhh.... the G.ood E.nough D.iploma. I have one of those myself, although I did not serve in the military, I just took the test. For some reason I never could get motivated to frame and hang it
dlowan wrote:PS: How bad is McCain, really?
It gives me hope that the rightwing-nuts don't like him..........but hell, he could still be arsenic on toast. How bad is the him winning scenario?????
He's a lot more like GH Bush than GW Bush. He's anti-abortion, but it's not going to be the centerpiece of his administration. He's more moderate on a lot of the big conservative issues including immigration, campaign reform and taxes. He's strongly pro-war and that is a stopper for me. If it weren't for that, he'd might be worth voting for.
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engineer wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:several weeks, in fact a couple of months ago i posted to these boards that all this in fighting and nastiness among the candidates towards Hillary... which is EXACTLY how this started... not Hillary with dirty tricks but EVERY potential nominee slamming her in every debate and at every opportunity.... from the time they were 8 candidates in the race, to now when she is admittedly got the gloves off.... was just writing all the general election smear ads for the republicans and was a bad idea.
I was ridiculed for this viewpoint, particularly by the Obama supporters.
well now that's exactly what everyone's talking about in print, media and here too, the fact that the democratic well is being poisoned by all this nastiness.
I knew I should have gotten a college degree, then I could be part of the "educated" class and someone might listen to me occasionally.
What a laugh riot this is turning out to be...
I remember that post and I also remember the response. You were asked to show where any of the candidates, especially Edwards and Obama, were taking Clinton to task on anything other than the issues. You sputtered, circled about and failed. I think the issues are fair game. If Clinton wants to say she is better prepared on day one, great. If she wants to imply that a black man can't succeed without a strong white President, that seems out of bounds. If Bill Clinton wants to say that Obama's success is due to black voters and imply he has no appeal to a broader audience, that seems inappropiate. If Clinton staffers want to email letters saying Obama is a secret Muslim trying to subvert the US, that seems beyond the pale. Nor should Obama minions be calling Clinton a "monster" in the foreign press. Still, your claim of victimhood on the behalf of Senator Clinton is a little stretched.
I'm sure that I made some remark to the extent that it was obvious and could be seen anywhere over the years including comments on the size of her calves and the appearance of her daughter. You and anyone else are quite welcome to call that sputtering and failing if you want to because I did not provide direct links to things that have happened since 1992 in full view of anyone with sight a brain and a memory to know about. I also posted how when she came on tv with a lead the night of the NH primary the instant the polls closed and kept it all night the media still minimized it and talked about Obama as though he wee the front runner and there m8st be some sort of mistake. I didn't provide any links or clips to something that was going on on every major channel AS I WAS TYPING so I suppose you can call that sputtering and failing if you like and in fact i expect exactly that so no big deal.
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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:I'm sure that I made some remark to the extent that it was obvious and could be seen anywhere over the years including comments on the size of her calves and the appearance of her daughter. You and anyone else are quite welcome to call that sputtering and failing if you want to because I did not provide direct links to things that have happened since 1992 in full view of anyone with sight a brain and a memory to know about. I also posted how when she came on tv with a lead the night of the NH primary the instant the polls closed and kept it all night the media still minimized it and talked about Obama as though he wee the front runner and there m8st be some sort of mistake. I didn't provide any links or clips to something that was going on on every major channel AS I WAS TYPING so I suppose you can call that sputtering and failing if you like and in fact i expect exactly that so no big deal.
You did make those comments and then the other posters asked you to show that the
other Democratic candidates were engaging in this activity (per your opening statement). That's where you failed. You routinely attribute the failings of the media and its pundits to Obama and Edwards et al, but it's not so. Edwards ran a pretty clean campaign and Obama has done likewise. Only Clinton has really stooped to mud slinging. That doesn't mean you can't support her, but you really should acknowledge the basic fact. As you have posted and I have taken to heart, politics is a rough game, but Clinton has routinely been in the mud while other candidates have strived to avoid it.
horseshit. they (were) are just as nasty but in a sunshiney passive aggressive way that I find particularly distasteful.
They remind me of southern women who dance on your grave while smiling sweetly and saying bless your heart.