Quote:Blatham: You bring up an excellent point that the Dems do not hold a patent on Identity Politics, although it is most often used by them, as it commonly refers to race, gender, and sexual orientation. I think the Repubs, especially the evangelicals, saw the success of various groups who utilized IP since the '70s, and have since tried it on.
About two weeks ago, Karl Rove and Hannity (on Fox's H and C) were discussing black voters supporting Obama. Hannity was suggesting there was something inappropriate in such support. Of course, we know Hannity wouldn't have suggested there was anything wrong if christians supported a candidate for his religious beliefs. Rove, being a lot smarter than Hannity, said, "Well, I understand african americans wanting to support one of their own."
There's not much in this dilemma that has an easy answer. We humans do identify ourselves as being part of some group or groups. Nationalism ("I'm proud to be an American") is an aspect of identity for many. Or being part of the judeo-christian cultural inheritance. Or being a Texan or "an Okie". Or being a soldier, etc etc. Those identification have obvious and inevitable consequences for our personal and group politics.
If we are fortunate, the group(s) in which we find ourselves counted (by birth or circumstance) are not marginalized or disadvantaged in some way that seriously effects our liberties and our opportunities. But if we aren't fortunate, and we (along with those like us) are disempowered or marginalized in some significant way, then activism and group solidarity is usually the only way to move towards equality of opportunity.
Before women got the vote in America in 1920, many women went to jail in that fight to gain equality. They were definitely engaged in identity politics and they definately had to be in order to get their right to vote.
Their identity politics did not create a gender division in the US. Their identity politics made existing gender divisions
visible, loudly and unrelentingly, until that element of their minority and oppressed condition was remedied.
Martin Luther King did not create racism. He made the reality of it, and the injustice of it, and the unconstitutionality of it,
more visible.
So, do we say identity politics is a bad thing? How can we? We can say that it causes turmoil in society but look at the havok that jesus stirred up.
Quote:Again, I'm only pointing out what I've been seeing almost every day in the media. Even - especially - the liberal branch of the media, which has really examined 'who' is supporting Clinton vs Obama, breaking each primary down by race, gender, income, age...
The media is talking about this and certainly not just the mainstream media. The reasons they talk about it may vary but it's quite valid subject matter for discussion. We have a woman and an african american running for top office and it is the first time in US history for either. Why has it taken until now? How do women feel about this (or men)? How do African American's feel? How do they vote? These are questions both valid and interesting.
Quote:What do you think of the white woman comparing her experience with the black man in my original post? I found it pretty offensive, and have been trying to figure out how her ancestors were brought here in 'chains.'
It was a joke, of course, but why should we disallow comparison of two different types of history and experience? If an Armenian compares a period of his peoples' history to the jewish holocaust, is he somehow stepping into territory which will do damage to everyone and which should therefore never be discussed or see the light of day?