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Can McBush Get Better than 30% in November?

 
 
Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 05:49 am
Well, I think he will do a little better than that against Obama and a lot better against Hillary as he will get all the Hillary haters and/or misogynists.

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McBush's Dilemma
by georgia10
Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:28:04 AM PST

Isn't the asset or albatross question kind of rhetorical by now?

WASHINGTON - Beware, John McCain. The money comes with a price. Sure, President Bush will raise millions of dollars for your Republican presidential campaign and GOP candidates. But he'll also give you the aura of a presidency tarnished by painful gasoline prices, a sagging economy, the threat of recession, a blemished U.S. reputation around the world, turbulence in the Middle East and many more problems.

John McCain will surely attempt to tap-dance around the situation, likely keeping the President on the sidelines but allowing him to steadily fundraise for him. That the President and his failed presidency are indeed an albatross is beyond dispute on both sides of the aisle, which is why this advice is pretty universal:

"McCain's got to make it very clear that this is not a third Bush term, but a John McCain presidency," said Republican pollster David Winston.

That will be an uphill battle. McCain's campaign thus far is a already a mimicry of the president's philosophy and presidency. Sure, the black-and-white simplicity of the president's speeches have been replaced by a convoluted entanglement of cliches and stale oratory. But if you stay awake long enough, you'll hear that the basic premise, the proposed philosophy of governing, is the exact same. Keep feeding the war in Iraq with more lives and more money, and keep catering to the privileged at the expense of the American middle class.

John McCain's central problem is that Iraq is the center of his campaign. The Iraq debacle is so intimately tied to the president in our national consciousness that it's all but impossible for McCain to take the president out of the equation. He cannot claim that withdrawal is not an option and prattle on about "dates of surrender" without echoing the very president he seeks to avoid.

Simply put, as a supporter of the "surge" and of continued war, he cannot talk about Iraq without sounding like George W. Bush. Which means that even if McCain keeps the president out of sight on the campaign trail, the glum prospect of a third Bush term will be on the minds of voters every time John McCain opens his mouth.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 06:27 am
Dross. Too partial to be taken seriously.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 06:51 am
Woud CNN be considered too partial, spendius?

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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) kicks off his general-election campaign trailing both potential Democratic nominees in hypothetical matchups, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) leads McCain, who captured the delegates needed to claim the Republican nomination Tuesday night, by 12 percentage points among all adults in the poll; Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) holds a six-point lead over the GOP nominee. Both Democrats are buoyed by moderates and independents when going head to head with McCain and benefit from sustained negative public assessments of President Bush and the war in Iraq.

About two-thirds of Americans disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job and think the war was not worth fighting, and most hold those positions "strongly." A slim majority also doubt that the United States is making progress toward restoring civil order in Iraq, even as McCain and others extol recent successes there.

These views are closely related to voters' choices: McCain does poorly against Clinton and Obama among those who disapprove of the president and those opposing the war.

Among independents, those who see improvements in Iraq prefer McCain to either Democrat, while six in 10 of those more skeptical of progress would go for a Democrat.

Another obstacle for McCain may be his age. More than a quarter of those polled said they are less inclined to support McCain because he would be the oldest person ever to become president. The percentage discouraged by McCain's age is more than double that of people who would be less enthusiastic about supporting Obama because he is African American or Clinton because she is a woman.

McCain, however, has eight months to overcome those perceptions, and when squared against Obama, who has amassed the most delegates in the race for the Democratic nomination, the senator from Arizona has key advantages on foreign policy.

The poll was conducted before Tuesday's contests, in which Clinton scored victories in Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas while Obama prevailed in Vermont. The victories were Clinton's first in a month, and they further unsettled the Democratic contest.

One bright line in a campaign pitting Obama against McCain would be the one that continues to define the Democratic primary: "change" vs. "experience." Overall, Americans are evenly divided about the candidate qualities that are most important to them: 45 percent said strength and experience, 46 percent said a new direction and new ideas.

Eighty percent of those putting a priority on change opt for Obama, while 68 percent of those favoring a steady hand go for McCain. A similar but more muted dynamic also would apply to Clinton vs. McCain, with the Republican holding a wide lead among those seeking experience and Clinton winning two-thirds of change voters.

Overall, Obama topped McCain on five of eight attributes tested in the poll, but he faces a whopping experience deficit (just as he does against Clinton in the primary campaign) and trails by double digits on leadership and knowledge of world affairs.

Obama also leads McCain on four of the six top issues in the poll: health care, immigration, ethics in government and voters' No. 1 concern, the economy. McCain counters with a wide advantage as the one better suited to handle the U.S. campaign against terrorism, and the two are much more closely paired on the question of who is better on Iraq. Among independents, McCain has the edge on both concerns: He is up by 14 points on Iraq and 18 points on fighting terrorism.

But as for McCain's ability to bring needed change to Washington, 52 percent said he would not do enough in this area, while 41 percent said he would. Nearly as many of those polled said Obama does not have the kind of experience it takes to serve effectively as president, 45 percent, as said he does, 49 percent.

One undercurrent about Obama's historic run is some fear for his safety on the campaign trail. Nearly six in 10 expressed concern that someone might attempt to harm Obama if he were the Democratic nominee.

Concern for Obama peaks among African Americans: More than eight in 10 would be concerned about Obama's safety, including 55 percent who would be "very concerned" (20 percent of whites expressed the same level of fear).

A total of 1,126 randomly selected adults were interviewed by telephone Feb. 28 through March 2. The results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.


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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 06:57 am
I think it will be as close as the Bush/Kerry race was if the contest is between Obama/McCain. If it's Clinton/McCain... John wins with a fairly wide margin.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:11 am
Agreed; brandx. Obama needs to stress that fact.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:50 am
revel wrote-

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Woud CNN be considered too partial, spendius?


Right. That's dross too. "hypothetical match-ups".

Filler between the ads.

A week is a long time in politics, Harold Wilson said.


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And when another prime minister, Harold Macmillan, was asked by a young journalist after a long dinner what can most easily steer a government off course, he answered "Events, dear boy. Events". In short, politics is unpredictable.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:59 am
So is predicting the winner in sports; but you can calculate the odds based on things you know.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 09:34 am
But people bet on sports to give the event some meaning to them and enable them to vicariously partcipate in it.

And unless they are insiders the things they know the bookies also know.

And death, mayhem and destruction are not a factor in sport.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 09:50 am
revel wrote:
So is predicting the winner in sports; but you can calculate the odds based on things you know.


Tell that to the NY Giants!! Smile
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 06:16 am
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