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McCain and the NYT

 
 
flaja
 
Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2008 08:05 pm
When McCain had his criminal defense attorney spend the day on TV proclaiming his innocence in regards to the NYT story that implies that McCain had an affair with a lobbyist and then intervened with a regulatory agency on behalf of her client, was it a prudent move on McCain's part, or did it just make him look guilty? If what the NYT said is without merit, what is McCain afraid of? If McCain knows that he did nothing wrong shouldn't he have a civil trial attorney preparing a libel suit rather than a criminal defense attorney doing PR?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2008 09:08 pm
Criminal defense attorney? What have you been smoking? Bennett has a civil and criminal practice ... and he's very experienced in such matters. LINK

What is he afraid of? He's afraid of the NYT Smear Machine. And rightfully so.
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flaja
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2008 09:33 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Criminal defense attorney? What have you been smoking? Bennett has a civil and criminal practice ... and he's very experienced in such matters. LINK

What is he afraid of? He's afraid of the NYT Smear Machine. And rightfully so.


How many civil lawsuits has Bennett personally handled? Just how many lawyers are experts at both criminal and civil law cases? He may be part of a law firm that handles both criminal and civil cases, but does he personally handle both types?

And consider Bill Clinton. He was guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, but he never acted like he is guilty and he got off scot-free. I don't recall ever seeing Bennett on TV on Clinton's behalf despite the numerous press reports about Clinton's private immorality and public corruption. But the NYT publishes one story about McCain and Bennett was all over TV in a matter of hours. If McCain is totally innocent, why is he acting like he's guilty?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2008 09:43 pm
flaja wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Criminal defense attorney? What have you been smoking? Bennett has a civil and criminal practice ... and he's very experienced in such matters. LINK

What is he afraid of? He's afraid of the NYT Smear Machine. And rightfully so.


How many civil lawsuits has Bennett personally handled?


More than you or I.

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Just how many lawyers are experts at both criminal and civil law cases?


Many lawyers are experts at both criminal and civil law.

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He may be part of a law firm that handles both criminal and civil cases, but does he personally handle both types?


Yes, he does. Did you even follow the link I posted?

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And consider Bill Clinton. He was guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, but he never acted like he is guilty and he got off scot-free.


What does that have to do with what we're discussing?

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I don't recall ever seeing Bennett on TV on Clinton's behalf despite the numerous press reports about Clinton's private immorality and public corruption.


Again, so what?

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But the NYT publishes one story about McCain and Bennett was all over TV in a matter of hours.


It's called being proactive.

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If McCain is totally innocent, why is he acting like he's guilty?


How is he acting like he's guilty? You think hiring a lawyer to issue a statement means one is acting like one's guilty?
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hanno
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2008 10:01 pm
Sounds about right to me, that is, talk the issues and campaign for yourself but if the Times wants to take pot shots let the lawyer take care of it. I don't think there's a thing in this world that McCain is afraid of, but he's not operating a campaign just to entertain each and every unsubstantiated accusation - if he did that they could just manipulate him with blind fire. I'd made up my mind on day 1 that it was BS of course, McCain's higher on the food chain than all of that squalid gossip.
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 06:18 am
Ticomaya wrote:
More than you or I.


That doesn't really answer my question. Chances are he has handled many more of one type than the other, meaning that he is not an expert at handling both.

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Many lawyers are experts at both criminal and civil law.


Documentation?

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Yes, he does. Did you even follow the link I posted?


How many? How often?

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What does that have to do with what we're discussing?


Just a comparison.

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Again, so what?


Zoom! Right over your head.

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It's called being proactive.


It's called looking like you have something to hide.

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How is he acting like he's guilty?


Totally innocent people don't have lawyers at the ready for press interviews when a newspaper publishes a story that hints at corruption.

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You think hiring a lawyer to issue a statement means one is acting like one's guilty?


You can issue a statement yourself. You need not have a lawyer on TV all day doing PR.
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 06:20 am
hanno wrote:
Sounds about right to me, that is, talk the issues and campaign for yourself but if the Times wants to take pot shots let the lawyer take care of it. I don't think there's a thing in this world that McCain is afraid of, but he's not operating a campaign just to entertain each and every unsubstantiated accusation - if he did that they could just manipulate him with blind fire. I'd made up my mind on day 1 that it was BS of course, McCain's higher on the food chain than all of that squalid gossip.


Did Clinton send out his lawyer when the NYT published a story about a woman in Arkansas that claimed that Bill Clinton raped her back when he was attorney general of Arkansas?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 06:58 am
Re: McCain and the NYT
flaja wrote:
When McCain had his criminal defense attorney spend the day on TV proclaiming his innocence in regards to the NYT story that implies that McCain had an affair with a lobbyist and then intervened with a regulatory agency on behalf of her client, was it a prudent move on McCain's part, or did it just make him look guilty? If what the NYT said is without merit, what is McCain afraid of? If McCain knows that he did nothing wrong shouldn't he have a civil trial attorney preparing a libel suit rather than a criminal defense attorney doing PR?


How can you look at that TIMES "article" as anything other than a calculated attack on McCain in support of the TIMES liberal agenda?

Just the fact that they had been sitting on this story FOR MONTHS, even while the TIMES endorses McCain in the Primary, they wait for the perfect time to release it. The perfect time was just before another rag was going forward with the smear.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 07:50 am
flaja wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
More than you or I.


That doesn't really answer my question. Chances are he has handled many more of one type than the other, meaning that he is not an expert at handling both.


No, that is not what that means.

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Many lawyers are experts at both criminal and civil law.


Documentation?


My professional experience.

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Yes, he does. Did you even follow the link I posted?


How many? How often?


Why, on earth, would it matter? He's not applying for a job here.

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Again, so what?


Zoom! Right over your head.


Doubtful.

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It's called being proactive.


It's called looking like you have something to hide.


Only to small minded people.

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How is he acting like he's guilty?


Totally innocent people don't have lawyers at the ready for press interviews when a newspaper publishes a story that hints at corruption.


Sure they do, when they know the story is coming, and they are proactive in their effort to respond to a smear campaign.

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You think hiring a lawyer to issue a statement means one is acting like one's guilty?


You can issue a statement yourself. You need not have a lawyer on TV all day doing PR.


What hanno said.
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 10:43 am
Re: McCain and the NYT
woiyo wrote:
How can you look at that TIMES "article" as anything other than a calculated attack on McCain in support of the TIMES liberal agenda?
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Then what was the NYT doing when they published the rape story about Bill Clinton?

Now supposedly McCain has had his most successful fundraising effort to date and the conservative base is solidly behind him because of the NYT. So why isn't the NYT story a conservative effort to buck-up McCain?
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 10:57 am
Ticomaya wrote:
No, that is not what that means.


Then how many cases of each type has Bennett personally handled?

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My professional experience.


Then you are not much of a professional. If a lawyer spends most of his time trying civil lawsuits, only a fool would want him as their defense attorney in a criminal case. The rules of evidence are not the same and the burden of proof is not as heavy.

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Why, on earth, would it matter? He's not applying for a job here.


Because it shows that lawyers tend to specialize. Lawyers may be trained for both criminal and civil law, but that doesn't make them qualified to handle both types of cases. What qualifies them is actual real world experience and you don't get enough such experience if you do a little of this and a little of that.

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Sure they do, when they know the story is coming, and they are proactive in their effort to respond to a smear campaign.


Why would McCain have known a story is coming if he hadn't done anything wrong?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 12:01 pm
Re: McCain and the NYT
flaja wrote:
woiyo wrote:
How can you look at that TIMES "article" as anything other than a calculated attack on McCain in support of the TIMES liberal agenda?
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Then what was the NYT doing when they published the rape story about Bill Clinton?

Now supposedly McCain has had his most successful fundraising effort to date and the conservative base is solidly behind him because of the NYT. So why isn't the NYT story a conservative effort to buck-up McCain?


Rape story? When was that? 15 years ago?

Not relevant.

Explain how you can endorse someone KNOWING they may have questionable character.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 12:53 pm
flaja wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
No, that is not what that means.


Then how many cases of each type has Bennett personally handled?


Call him up and ask. I'm sure he'd love to speak with you.

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My professional experience.


Then you are not much of a professional. If a lawyer spends most of his time trying civil lawsuits, only a fool would want him as their defense attorney in a criminal case.


Documentation?

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The rules of evidence are not the same and the burden of proof is not as heavy.


Thank you for that update, Captain Obvious.

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Why, on earth, would it matter? He's not applying for a job here.


Because it shows that lawyers tend to specialize. Lawyers may be trained for both criminal and civil law, but that doesn't make them qualified to handle both types of cases. What qualifies them is actual real world experience and you don't get enough such experience if you do a little of this and a little of that.


Documentation?

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Sure they do, when they know the story is coming, and they are proactive in their effort to respond to a smear campaign.


Why would McCain have known a story is coming if he hadn't done anything wrong?


You're not very quick on the uptake, are you?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 01:15 pm
flaja wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Criminal defense attorney? What have you been smoking? Bennett has a civil and criminal practice ... and he's very experienced in such matters. LINK

What is he afraid of? He's afraid of the NYT Smear Machine. And rightfully so.


How many civil lawsuits has Bennett personally handled? Just how many lawyers are experts at both criminal and civil law cases? He may be part of a law firm that handles both criminal and civil cases, but does he personally handle both types?
An irrelevant distinction, as Tyco has already demonstrated. Bennet is the go-to Washington lawyer for politicians under political and media attack for allegedly criminal actions .. attacks that begin long before any ensuing legal action.

flaja wrote:
And consider Bill Clinton. He was guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, but he never acted like he is guilty and he got off scot-free. I don't recall ever seeing Bennett on TV on Clinton's behalf despite the numerous press reports about Clinton's private immorality and public corruption. But the NYT publishes one story about McCain and Bennett was all over TV in a matter of hours. If McCain is totally innocent, why is he acting like he's guilty?
A remarkably dense concentration of misstatements of fact.

(1)Clinton was not convicted of "High Crimes & Misdemeanors" by the Congress - he was exonorated of these, but lost his license to practice law following the out-of-court settlement of the Paula Jones case and the pattern of evasions of truth in sworn dispositions it entailed.
(2)Clinton frequently acted guilty indeed -- and he had a legion of full-time lawyers and public shills supporting him - in addition to Bennett.
(3) Whether you recall it or not Bennett was very frequently on TV defending Clinton's position in the Paula Jones Case.
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 06:27 pm
Re: McCain and the NYT
woiyo wrote:
Rape story? When was that? 15 years ago?

Not relevant.


How is it not relevant when it shows the past history of the NYT? It's not like this paper up and decided to go after McCain just because he's a Republican running for president. The paper has gone after Democrats in the past. It doesn't play favorites and this story about McCain has no political motives.

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Explain how you can endorse someone KNOWING they may have questionable character.


Why would any politician (or voter) put any emphasis on a newspaper's endorsement?
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 06:34 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Documentation?


Common sense.

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Thank you for that update, Captain Obvious.


You don't think this shows the folly of any single lawyer trying to do both types of cases?

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Documentation?


Since lawyers were first allowed to advertise for business in Florida (some 20-odd years ago), I've yet to see one single attorney who advertises for wrongful death and personal injury cases also advertise for criminal cases. If any of these lawyers handled criminal cases, then they would be advertising for criminal cases. This tells me that they do specialize in civil law.

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You're not very quick on the uptake, are you?


How so? If McCain had never done anything to suggest improper behavior on his part, then he would know that his staff would never have anything to relay to the press, thus no press story about his improper behavior would ever be forthcoming.
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 06:38 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
An irrelevant distinction, as Tyco has already demonstrated. Bennet is the go-to Washington lawyer for politicians under political and media attack for allegedly criminal actions .. attacks that begin long before any ensuing legal action.


I never saw him on TV doing PR for Bill Clinton.

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(1)Clinton was not convicted of "High Crimes & Misdemeanors" by the Congress - he was exonorated of these, but lost his license to practice law following the out-of-court settlement of the Paula Jones case and the pattern of evasions of truth in sworn dispositions it entailed.


Clinton was found in contempt of court by a federal judge because he disobeyed her order to tell the truth when giving sworn testimony. For all intents and purpose this does legally say he is guilty.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2008 09:14 pm
flaja wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Documentation?


Common sense.


Okay ... that's a "no."

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Thank you for that update, Captain Obvious.


You don't think this shows the folly of any single lawyer trying to do both types of cases?


Absolutely not.

I'd tell you I do both types of cases, but that would just give you an opportunity to insult me, so I won't.

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Documentation?


Since lawyers were first allowed to advertise for business in Florida (some 20-odd years ago), I've yet to see one single attorney who advertises for wrongful death and personal injury cases also advertise for criminal cases. If any of these lawyers handled criminal cases, then they would be advertising for criminal cases. This tells me that they do specialize in civil law.


Ah, anecdotal evidence?

One cannot watch an entire day of television here in Phoenix without seeing a commercial from ... THIS FIRM.

I personally know about a hundred lawyers, friends all, who handle both criminal and civil matters.

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You're not very quick on the uptake, are you?


How so? If McCain had never done anything to suggest improper behavior on his part, then he would know that his staff would never have anything to relay to the press, thus no press story about his improper behavior would ever be forthcoming.


You are apparently oblivious to this story run in the Drudge Report in December, 2007 ..... LINK.

McCain was made aware the story was coming in the NYT since at least December 20, 2007.
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