Asherman wrote:Sozobe,
The manner in which each of the candidates have managed their campaigns, is a good indicator that we need to be aware of. On that basis alone, you conclude that Obama is a better manager than McCain. I disagree. The McCain campaign has had problems. Early on spending was out-stripping the funding, and his appearances weren't working very well. He had gotten off message, and it looked like curtains. The smart thing probably at the time would have been to throw in the towel and leave it to Romney and Guiliani to fight it out. McCain is too tough for that. He fired staff, canceled expensive transportation and began to select his appearances more carefully. Even more importantly, he returned to the straight forward expression of what he believes in rather than what the pundits thought would sell. It's been an uphill battle against tough opponents, but the McCain Comeback is going to be remembered for years for its success against overwhelming odds. That's facing adversity, making hard decisions and going back into battle renewed. The GOP Primary Campaign has demonstrated McCain's chief asset... his toughness and dedication to prevail against any odds.
This is at least arguable. I presented a counter-argument last page. My own quick summary -- McCain was very, very LUCKY. Romney had too many problems and was eliminated. Giuliani absolutely imploded. Thompson never got anywhere. Huckabee, the last one standing, is still picking up wins and getting a sizable protest vote -- he's in the 40's in polls in Ohio and Texas.
Quote:However, I think your criteria is too narrow.
I haven't laid out any particular criteria. I picked up on the discussion re: executive experience and went from there.
Quote:What do we know about Obama?
Quite a lot.
Quote:He has a very modest legislative record, but he will go along with senior Party leadership. He has been careful not to offend the big Democratic Party chieftains, by opposing any of their interests.
Is this based on anything?
Quote:He uses his youth and charisma to attract young educated people with high ideals, but little understanding of the world's realities.
Or this? His deep understanding of the world's realities is a big part of why I support him. It's not just me -- he has racked up an impressive list of experienced, knowledgeable supporters who think that he embodies the best way for America to move forward in terms of foreign policy. (I can bring evidence of this on request.)
Quote:He raises a whole lot of money, because everyone wants on the bandwagon while he is riding high.
And what about when he was riding low? Very low? That is what I point to and find most impressive. He has been the front-runner for a very short time.
Quote:His positions are all carefully framed and can mean almost anything to anyone.
This is an especially spurious assertion. He says all kinds of very specific things. While an element of politicking is to not put one's supporters to sleep with specifics, he surely is not more general than McCain, for example.
Quote:At the moment, he reflects the hopes and ideals of people, and like most people he hasn't a clue about what is involved in running the Executive Branch of the Federal government.
Again, what do you actually base this on?
Quote:If Obama had more of a record, if he ever faced grave adversity and overcame it,
He has faced significant hurdles and overcome them, in terms of a tumultuous early family life, growing up without a father, etc. McCain has no doubt experienced graver adversity, but I don't consider torture to be a prerequisite for the presidency.
Quote: if he had any experience directing government,
Experience that McCain has?
Quote:However, Obama has almost no record comparable with what we normally expect in Presidential candidates, so he must either impress us all with how great his insights and policies are for dealing with complex domestic and international issues, or he has to bet everything on his media image and its ability to generate emotional commitments.
Or -- he can impress us with how great his insights and policies are for dealing with complex domestic and international issues (as he has impressed me, and many old political hands who do not impress easily), AND he can deploy his prodigious political gifts. I like that combination.