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tax exempt politics

 
 
flaja
 
Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 03:57 pm
Churches are tax exempt organizations.

Political parties, political action committees and political campaign committees are all tax exempt organizations.

So why is it that whenever a church endorses a Republican candidate it puts its tax exempt status at risk?
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 05:19 pm
Because they are exempted under different sections of teh tax code.

Religious groups are "501(c)(3)" organizations:
http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=96099,00.html

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"Exemption Requirements

To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues."


Political organizations are "527" organizations:
http://www.irs.gov/charities/political/article/0,,id=96350,00.html

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"Exemption Requirements - Political Organizations

A political organization subject to 527 is a party, committee, association, fund, or other organization (whether or not incorporated) organized and operated primarily for the purpose of directly or indirectly accepting contributions or making expenditures, or both, for an exempt function. The exempt function of a political organization is influencing or attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election or appointment of an individual to a federal, state, or local public office or office in a political organization.

A political organization must be organized for the primary purpose of carrying on exempt function activities. A political organization does not need to be formally chartered or established as a corporation, trust, or association. A separate bank account in which political campaign funds are deposited and disbursed only for political campaign expenses can qualify as a political organization. When there are no formal organizational documents, consideration is given to statements of the members of the organization at the time of its formation that they intend to operate the organization primarily to carry on exempt function activities.

A political organization's primary activities must be exempt function activities. A political organization may engage in activities that are not exempt function activities, but these may not be its primary activities.

See the FY-2002 CPE article entitled Election Year Issues for further information regarding tax issues for political organizations. See Filing Requirements for more details."
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flaja
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 05:34 pm
fishin wrote:
Because they are exempted under different sections of teh tax code.


What difference does the section of the tax code make?

If you buy a 4 pound Tyson frying chicken from Wal-Mart and a 4 pound Tyson frying chicken from Sam's Club, have you not bought the same thing? Why should one be taxed and the other not?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 05:56 pm
Re: tax exempt politics
flaja wrote:

So why is it that whenever a church endorses a Republican candidate it puts its tax exempt status at risk?


They are given that exemption with the agreement that church and state shall remain separate. Government will not tell you what god to worship and a church will not tell you who to vote for. If Unitarian ministers started preaching for Obama, they would face the criticism as those preachers on The Trinity Broadcasting Network.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 05:59 pm
Re: tax exempt politics
flaja wrote:
Churches are tax exempt organizations.

Political parties, political action committees and political campaign committees are all tax exempt organizations.

So why is it that whenever a church endorses a Republican candidate it puts its tax exempt status at risk?


A church who endorses a Republican candidate should be more concerned about the eternal destiny of the souls of its members than its tax exempt status.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 06:00 pm
That's interesting, fishin'. Yet, political contributions made by business are not taxable expenses, while those to 501(c)(3) are. Any thoughts on that?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 06:18 pm
roger wrote:
That's interesting, fishin'. Yet, political contributions made by business are not taxable expenses, while those to 501(c)(3) are. Any thoughts on that?


Oh boy, the accountants are going to start talking in details. I think I'll come back when it's time for me to go to sleep.

(Not that I don't love Roger and Fishin')
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 06:31 pm
flaja wrote:
fishin wrote:
Because they are exempted under different sections of the tax code.


What difference does the section of the tax code make?

If you buy a 4 pound Tyson frying chicken from Wal-Mart and a 4 pound Tyson frying chicken from Sam's Club, have you not bought the same thing? Why should one be taxed and the other not?


The money you buy that chicken with is taxed by the IRS whether you spend it at Sam's oe Walmart (or any other store...). You got it as income, you pay income taxes on it.

The sigificance is that donations to a 501(c)(3) org can be deducted by the contributor on their income taxes. Not so for a donor to a 527 org.

The issue is whether the funds given to the orgs was taxed or not.

If I give $300 to a Church (a 501(c)(3)) I can deduct that when I do my taxes and the Church doesn't pay income taxes on it.

If I give $300 ot a PAC (a 527 org) I can't take any tax deduction for it but the org still doesn't pay income taxes on it..

So the Church can't be a non-profit under both sections of the tax code on it's own. It has to chose one or the other. If they want to be a political org. then there is nothing that prohibits them from giving up their 501(c)(3) status and becoming a 527. It's their choice - but they can't be both.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 06:46 pm
roger wrote:
That's interesting, fishin'. Yet, political contributions made by business are not taxable expenses, while those to 501(c)(3) are. Any thoughts on that?


The IRS distinguishes between "Taxable expenses" and "Chartitable deductions". They come off the line in different places on the returns. I have no idea what the net effect of the differences are though. Never looked into it that far.
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flaja
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 08:48 pm
Re: tax exempt politics
Green Witch wrote:
flaja wrote:

So why is it that whenever a church endorses a Republican candidate it puts its tax exempt status at risk?


They are given that exemption with the agreement that church and state shall remain separate. Government will not tell you what god to worship and a church will not tell you who to vote for. If Unitarian ministers started preaching for Obama, they would face the criticism as those preachers on The Trinity Broadcasting Network.


Actually churches are given this apolitical status because back in the 1950s certain 501 non-profit organizations in Texas were complaining about Senator Lyndon B. Johnson whereupon said Senator had the federal tax code changed so that his critics would be either silenced or taxed.

http://www.baptiststandard.com/1998/11_11/pages/LBJ.html

NOTE: This article claims that the organizations that Johnson meant to target were non-profits other than churches, but I have seen it claimed that these organizations were in deed churches.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19261446&BRD=2384&PAG=461&dept_id=560113&rfi=6

"Church leaders support Obama presidency - Clergy says they'll work to get Barack elected"

So where's the IRS?
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flaja
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 08:49 pm
Re: tax exempt politics
ebrown_p wrote:
flaja wrote:
Churches are tax exempt organizations.

Political parties, political action committees and political campaign committees are all tax exempt organizations.

So why is it that whenever a church endorses a Republican candidate it puts its tax exempt status at risk?


A church who endorses a Republican candidate should be more concerned about the eternal destiny of the souls of its members than its tax exempt status.


And what about a church that endorses a Democrat?
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flaja
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 09:00 pm
fishin wrote:
The money you buy that chicken with is taxed by the IRS whether you spend it at Sam's oe Walmart (or any other store...). You got it as income, you pay income taxes on it.


You are missing the point. The money was taxed when I received it as income and then is taxed again when Wal-Mart or Sam's Club received it as income. So why would it be OK give Wal-Mart and Sam's Club separate legal status?

So why should the money that a political organization receives in income be exempt from the income tax when a church, whose income is also exempt, cannot engage in politics? Why have separate categories for organizations that do the same thing?

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The sigificance is that donations to a 501(c)(3) org can be deducted by the contributor on their income taxes. Not so for a donor to a 527 org.


So every political organization is a 527? Don't educational organizations, that can educate people on what candidate to support and not support, fall in the 501(c)(3) category? If I opened a non-profit private school wouldn't it be 501(c)(3) and wouldn't I be able to instruct my students on the evils of liberalism without jeopardizing my tax exempt status?

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So the Church can't be a non-profit under both sections of the tax code on it's own. It has to chose one or the other. If they want to be a political org. then there is nothing that prohibits them from giving up their 501(c)(3) status and becoming a 527.


At least in Florida a church's property is exempt from state and local property taxes because it has 501 tax-exempt status from the IRS. But if a "church" organizes under 527, would it then have to pay property taxes? Around here some churches have so much property that they'd pay more in property taxes than they ever would in income taxes.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 09:29 pm
flaja wrote:
So why should the money that a political organization receives in income be exempt from the income tax when a church, whose income is also exempt, cannot engage in politics? Why have separate categories for organizations that do the same thing?

PACs and Churches don't do the same thing. A PAC is created specifically to push a political agenda. A Church isn't.

But the categories serve other purposes such as identifying whether donations made to them can be deducted by the contributor too.

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The sigificance is that donations to a 501(c)(3) org can be deducted by the contributor on their income taxes. Not so for a donor to a 527 org.


So every political organization is a 527?


Well.... That is what section 527 of the tax code specifically defines. There may be political groups that aren't 527s but they don't get the tax-free status that a 527 would get and they'd have to play by whatever rules are setup for whatever section of the tax code they'd fall under.

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Don't educational organizations, that can educate people on what candidate to support and not support, fall in the 501(c)(3) category?


Ummm.. No. Educational institutions can fall under 501(C)(3) but those that do can not participate in partisan politics. They can educate people on what the established legal framework is for conducting an election is but they can't suggest who they should vote for in any way. They can host "information sessions" but to mainatin their 501(c)(3) status they have to remain politically netutral in them. (i.e. they could host a "Meet the Candidates" night but they'd have to allow any candidate that wants to attend to be there and provide them all with equeal settings. If they "forget" to invite all the Green Party candiates on the ballot they risk losing their 501(c)(3) status.)

Any "Educational Institutaion" that goes beyond that isn't a 501(c)(3). Many private colleges, for example, are 509(a) organizations.

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If I opened a non-profit private school wouldn't it be 501(c)(3) and wouldn't I be able to instruct my students on the evils of liberalism without jeopardizing my tax exempt status?


It would only be a 501(c)(3) if you applied for it to be one so I can't really answer that, can I?

I'd guess that you might get away with it for a while but eventually someone would complain to the IRS and you've get investigated. They'd make a determination based on the rules that they've published. If you violated them you'd no longer be a 501(c)(3).

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So the Church can't be a non-profit under both sections of the tax code on it's own. It has to chose one or the other. If they want to be a political org. then there is nothing that prohibits them from giving up their 501(c)(3) status and becoming a 527.


At least in Florida a church's property is exempt from state and local property taxes because it has 501 tax-exempt status from the IRS. But if a "church" organizes under 527, would it then have to pay property taxes? Around here some churches have so much property that they'd pay more in property taxes than they ever would in income taxes.


That would be up to Florida now wouldn't it? There is no Federal mandate that cities or states provide any group with property tax exemptions. Each state is free to set it's own laws in that regard and I have no idea how Florida handles property taxes with 527s.
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flaja
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:19 am
fishin wrote:
PACs and Churches don't do the same thing.


They do when they both endorse a political candidate.

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Well.... That is what section 527 of the tax code specifically defines. There may be political groups that aren't 527s but they don't get the tax-free status that a 527 would get and they'd have to play by whatever rules are setup for whatever section of the tax code they'd fall under.


You didn't answer my question. Are there not non-profit, tax exempt organizations that are not churches that engage in political activities?

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Ummm.. No. Educational institutions can fall under 501(C)(3) but those that do can not participate in partisan politics.


Define participate. Even the Christian Coalition can pass out voter guides at churches in order to compare and contrast candidates' positions on campaign issues with the intent being to tell the church members which candidates they should support. If this isn't politics, what is it?

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I'd guess that you might get away with it for a while but eventually someone would complain to the IRS and you've get investigated. They'd make a determination based on the rules that they've published. If you violated them you'd no longer be a 501(c)(3).


What would happen if a student in a public school complained about the indoctrination practices of a highly partisan civics or history teacher?

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That would be up to Florida now wouldn't it? There is no Federal mandate that cities or states provide any group with property tax exemptions. Each state is free to set it's own laws in that regard and I have no idea how Florida handles property taxes with 527s.


I'm just pointing out something that a church must consider when it applies for its tax status.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 08:56 am
flaja wrote:
fishin wrote:


Well.... That is what section 527 of the tax code specifically defines. There may be political groups that aren't 527s but they don't get the tax-free status that a 527 would get and they'd have to play by whatever rules are setup for whatever section of the tax code they'd fall under.


You didn't answer my question. Are there not non-profit, tax exempt organizations that are not churches that engage in political activities?


Apparently you are having troubles remebering what your question was. What you asked was "So every political organization is a 527? ".

But to answer your latest question - yes, there are. 527 organizations are one example.

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Ummm.. No. Educational institutions can fall under 501(C)(3) but those that do can not participate in partisan politics.


Define participate.


Participate (in this context) = Apply to the IRS for, obtain and maintain 501(c)(3) tax exempt status.

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Even the Christian Coalition can pass out voter guides at churches in order to compare and contrast candidates' positions on campaign issues with the intent being to tell the church members which candidates they should support. If this isn't politics, what is it?


When did the Chirstian Coalition become a church??? And AFAIK they aren't a tax exempt organization either. ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/june99/christian11.htm) .

But that doesn't really matter. As I already stated, if they were a 501(c)(3) (which apparently, they aren't...) then their informatiuon guides have to be non-partisan. And according to their own WWW site: "Our hallmark work lies in voter education. Prior to the November election the Christian Coalition of America distributed a record 70 million voter guides throughout all 50 states. These non-partisan guides gave voters a clear understanding of where various candidates stood on the issues important to them. With this knowledge, millions of voters went to polls ready to make their voices heard."
http://www.cc.org/about.cfm

Their guides are non-partisan because if they weren't and they passed them out at Churches it would put the Churches at risk of loosing their 501(c)(3) status.

The IRS can't investigate the CC of rviolations of the non-partisan rule but they can investigate the tax-exempt churches.


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I'd guess that you might get away with it for a while but eventually someone would complain to the IRS and you've get investigated. They'd make a determination based on the rules that they've published. If you violated them you'd no longer be a 501(c)(3).


What would happen if a student in a public school complained about the indoctrination practices of a highly partisan civics or history teacher?


Public schools aren't organized as non-profits under any section of the tax code so this is a bogus question. If someone wishes to complain about partisanship within a public shcool they'd have to find a violation of some other law or in the court of public opinion.

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That would be up to Florida now wouldn't it? There is no Federal mandate that cities or states provide any group with property tax exemptions. Each state is free to set it's own laws in that regard and I have no idea how Florida handles property taxes with 527s.


I'm just pointing out something that a church must consider when it applies for its tax status.


If, as you now claim, you were "just poiinting out" then why did you ask me a question? Don't you know the difference between asking a question and making a statement?
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flaja
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 10:21 am
fishin wrote:
Apparently you are having troubles remebering what your question was. What you asked was "So every political organization is a 527? ".


And the answer is no since there are non-profit tax exempt organizations that do engage in political activities even though they have 501 rather than 527 status.

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But to answer your latest question - yes, there are. 527 organizations are one example.


I was talking about non-church organizations that have 501 status. I thought this was clear when I asked if every (non-profit, tax exempt) political organization was a 527.

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Participate (in this context) = Apply to the IRS for, obtain and maintain 501(c)(3) tax exempt status.


I wanted you to define participate as it pertains to political activities. Applying for a particular tax status is not participating in political activities.

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When did the Chirstian Coalition become a church???


The Christian Coalition was founded in 1988 by the Reverend Pat Robertson as a national organization. It initially had 501(C)(3) non-profit, tax exempt status while the IRS determined what the organization's permanent status should be. In the meantime Christian Coalition groups in several states set themselves up as non-profit corporations within their respective states. The Christian Coalition of Texas Inc. obtained permanent 501(C)(3) status.

Then in 1992 the Christian Coalition distributed its voter guides at churches for the first time. Liberals complained that this was blatant Republican partisan politics. This prompted the IRS to deny 501(C)(3) to Robertson's national Christian Coalition organization. But instead of engaging in what would be a long legal battle with the IRS, Robertson simply transferred everything to the Texas Christian Coalition Inc., renaming that organization the Christian Coalition of America Inc. so as to take advantage of that organization's 501(C)(3) status.

After the 1996 election the Christian Coalition of America Inc.'s 501(C)(3) status was revoked and the organization was assessed $300,000 in back taxes. However, a 2005 settlement gave the Christian Coalition of America Inc. 501(C)(4) status whereby it can distribute voter guides to churches and its income is tax exempt although donations to the organization are not tax deductible for the donors.

But the point remains: regardless of deductibility issues, why is it morally OK to let one non-profit tax exempt organization engage in politics when another cannot? Why should anyone have to give up their freedom of speech or right to assembly or right to petition the government for redress of grievances just to have non-profit tax exempt status?
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