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Democrat deadlock?

 
 
flaja
 
Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 07:17 pm
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards or someone else beside Hilary or Obama, in order to deny both of them a 1st ballot victory so the convention could then nominate someone other than Hillary or Obama?
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 07:30 pm
What would their motivation be (super-delegates wouldn't have a problem with the 2 candidates other than seeing a near-tie)? Edwards clearly hasn't demo-ed the Dem. voter support of either of the 2 so why select him? I'm a little lost.
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flaja
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 08:38 pm
Ragman wrote:
What would their motivation be (super-delegates wouldn't have a problem with the 2 candidates other than seeing a near-tie)? Edwards clearly hasn't demo-ed the Dem. voter support of either of the 2 so why select him? I'm a little lost.


What if Hilary and Obama get into a court fight over the delegates that have been denied to Michigan and Florida thereby not only tearing the party apart but also posing the risk that the court fights won't be settled before election day?

What if the fighting between Hillary and Obama gets so bad between now and September that party unity is damaged?

What if the polls show that the GOP nominee would beat both Hillary and Obama?

What if the super delegates get tired of being fought over and pestered by both Hillary and Obama?

Why wouldn't the super delegates tell both Hillary and Obama to drop out for the sake of the party?
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 09:07 pm
What if we wait and see the typical and most likely political scenario......as in - one candidate pulls ahead of the other?
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 12:13 am
flaja wrote:
Ragman wrote:
What would their motivation be (super-delegates wouldn't have a problem with the 2 candidates other than seeing a near-tie)? Edwards clearly hasn't demo-ed the Dem. voter support of either of the 2 so why select him? I'm a little lost.


What if Hilary and Obama get into a court fight over the delegates that have been denied to Michigan and Florida thereby not only tearing the party apart but also posing the risk that the court fights won't be settled before election day?

What if the fighting between Hillary and Obama gets so bad between now and September that party unity is damaged?

What if the polls show that the GOP nominee would beat both Hillary and Obama?

What if the super delegates get tired of being fought over and pestered by both Hillary and Obama?

Why wouldn't the super delegates tell both Hillary and Obama to drop out for the sake of the party?


It is already damaged, the near 50/50 split demonstrates that. Hopefully, the process between now and the nomination will be done in such a way that everyone can heal their wounds and reunite.

If Huckabee has many more successes, GOP will be facing similar issues and questions enroute to their convention too.

For once, maybe the country will find someone that both parties can get behind and do some wound repair on itself too.
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flaja
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 07:41 am
Ragman wrote:
What if we wait and see the typical and most likely political scenario......as in - one candidate pulls ahead of the other?


How many more elected delegates are still to be chosen? Even if one or the other pulls ahead in the elected delegate count, will they have the majority needed to win the nomination without getting any of the super delegates?
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flaja
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 07:44 am
Butrflynet wrote:
If Huckabee has many more successes, GOP will be facing similar issues and questions enroute to their convention too.


Something that I've said in another thread. Huckabee doesn't have to win enough delegates to get the nomination in order to stop McCain. All he has to do is win enough to keep McCain from getting a 1st ballot victory.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 12:59 pm
Re: Democrat deadlock?
flaja wrote:
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards or someone else beside Hilary or Obama, in order to deny both of them a 1st ballot victory so the convention could then nominate someone other than Hillary or Obama?


Al Gore would then be enlisted as a compromise candidate. This would be acceptable to both sides (but not to both candidates, Obama and Hillary Laughing).

This is a scenario that is showing increasing signs of possibility.

Gore would choose as his running mate someone like Kathleen Sebelius.
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flaja
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 01:10 pm
Re: Democrat deadlock?
real life wrote:
flaja wrote:
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards or someone else beside Hilary or Obama, in order to deny both of them a 1st ballot victory so the convention could then nominate someone other than Hillary or Obama?


Al Gore would then be enlisted as a compromise candidate. This would be acceptable to both sides (but not to both candidates, Obama and Hillary Laughing).


I could easily see Gore getting the OK on the 2nd ballot and then choosing either Hillary or Obama as his running mate to pay them back for their delegates.

BTW: Since Edwards only suspended his campaign rather than officially dropping out, his delegates are still bound to support him on the 1st ballot and I would assume that his name is still on at least some of the remaining primary ballots. And the same goes for Romney on the GOP side.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 01:10 pm
Updated delegate counts can be found here. They may not be totally accurate because of arcane rules used by some states.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 01:39 pm
Re: Democrat deadlock?
flaja wrote:
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards ...


If this whole thing ends up going to the SUPER DELEGATES, the nomination will probably go to Mrs. Clinton.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 01:41 pm
I was hoping for a good old mud wrestling event. Why not? They sling it at each other all the time.
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flaja
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 03:46 pm
Re: Democrat deadlock?
Miller wrote:
flaja wrote:
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards ...


If this whole thing ends up going to the SUPER DELEGATES, the nomination will probably go to Mrs. Clinton.


I used to think this. It would have been likely if Edwards had done better. A 33-33-33 split in elected delegates would likely have given the nomination to Hillary because of the Clintons' influence over the Democrat Party machinery. But I think a 50-50 split in elected delegates will neutralize the Clintons' control over the party machinery.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 07:17 pm
Re: Democrat deadlock?
Miller wrote:
flaja wrote:
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards ...


If this whole thing ends up going to the SUPER DELEGATES, the nomination will probably go to Mrs. Clinton.


That is wishful thinking on your part. Thankfully, the runaway freight train that is Barack Obama will have this thing wrapped up by March so the SDs won't come into play.

Now, it is the Republican nominee that is in doubt.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 07:26 pm
Obama just beat her in VA...so it's not looking good for Hillary.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 11:18 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I was hoping for a good old mud wrestling event. Why not? They sling it at each other all the time.


Will Obama wear his nicotine patch while in the mud?
Cool
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 11:20 pm
Re: Democrat deadlock?
Roxxxanne wrote:
Miller wrote:
flaja wrote:
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards ...


If this whole thing ends up going to the SUPER DELEGATES, the nomination will probably go to Mrs. Clinton.


That is wishful thinking on your part. Thankfully, the runaway freight train that is Barack Obama will have this thing wrapped up by March so the SDs won't come into play.

Now, it is the Republican nominee that is in doubt.


Mrs Clinton is and will continue to be the winner.
I've always considered Obama to be the loser.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 11:26 pm
Re: Democrat deadlock?
flaja wrote:
real life wrote:
flaja wrote:
If neither Hilary, nor Obama can win the Democrat nomination on the 1st ballot without the support of some of the super delegates, does anyone here think any of the super delegates will vote for Edwards or someone else beside Hilary or Obama, in order to deny both of them a 1st ballot victory so the convention could then nominate someone other than Hillary or Obama?


Al Gore would then be enlisted as a compromise candidate. This would be acceptable to both sides (but not to both candidates, Obama and Hillary Laughing).


I could easily see Gore getting the OK on the 2nd ballot and then choosing either Hillary or Obama as his running mate to pay them back for their delegates.

BTW: Since Edwards only suspended his campaign rather than officially dropping out, his delegates are still bound to support him on the 1st ballot and I would assume that his name is still on at least some of the remaining primary ballots. And the same goes for Romney on the GOP side.


If a compromise candidate (such as Gore) is chosen, they would have to be out of their minds to have either Hillary or Obama as VP.

The other side would walk.

He would have to choose someone else.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 11:29 pm
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I could easily see Gore getting the OK


Nonsense!
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 09:42 am
The delegates on the Democratic side are such that one of the 2 candidates will have a majority. No one else has enough delegates to prevent one of them from winning.

The deal if required will come from the super delegates.
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