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Is Obama "Kind of Black" ?

 
 
Miller
 
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 02:34 pm
Radio Raheem
February 19th - 1:45 p.m.
Barack Obama is an intelligent and engaging and clearly articulate man.

However, he lacks some things in terms of identifying with African American voters:

1. He is not a descendant of slaves. His father, who he did not know, was a Black African from Kenay, who abandoned his white mother, and did not have a slave history nor mentality.

2. He does not have the historical connection of the "great migration" of American Blacks from the South to the North. Most African American Chicago politicians have connections like Jesse Jackson Sr, Alice Tregay, former MWRD Prez Fuller from South Carolina or the Strogers from Arkansas and the other connection to the Catholic-Black community(ies) in Louisiana at Xavier University. The tar and featherings, the abject poverty, the fighting with white ethnic immigrants in Chicago. Obama has no connection to that history.

3. Barack Obama is not an American Black. This is not to be a joke, an insult, or be stereotypical but if you watch the video of Obama swaying back and forth--he does not have the same rythm or flow of the other Church goers at the Church. Obama did not grow up stepping. He did not grow up throwing raps or rhymes or insults. He didn't go to jookie parties on the South Side or even oldie stepper sets. When he was in the Senate, the other Black Senators like Donne Trotter and even Ricky Hendon used to make fun of him and mock him. Even Jesse Jackson Jr made jokes about him not being Black enough or Chicago enough.
His skin is Black but his culture is not. Barack Obama did not endure the racism of Chicago or the Deep South but the multicultural warmth of the Hawaiin sun and the wealth of white family and the opportunity of private schools.

4. He does not bond or provide a real role model because he is not from Chicago and did not have a hard life or poverty. He did not go to Chicago Public Schools bad or good. He did not go to Catholic or Baptist Chicago Schools. He did not get beat up in Bridgeport or have gangs follow him home from school. He never had to go to County Hospital.
He grew up a life of privilege and luck and opportunity. No doubt he has talent and worked hard. But his life was not one of difficulty or challenge. He did not know his dad, but unfortunately that is not atypical.
He went to elite private schools. His step dad was an International Businessman and he was world travelled by the time he was a teenager. His mom was white. He never knew nor dealt with any Black people. As a teenager his white grandparents raised him in Hawaii in a upper middle class environment. He never had to deal with gangs. He went to all good schools. He did not know dangerous streets. He never went without a meal. He went to private school in Indonesia. He went to private school in Hawaii. He was in a white and wealthy international world. He went to Columbia undergrad and Harvard law. He and his wife are wealthy get inside deals on books and property, get government or corporate travel. He is an elected official.
This is not a challenged person, again he worked hard and is talented but this idea that it is so odd he is where he is and had to overcome the name and being Black is absurd. Barack Obama had a life of privilege and opportunity. This is not the life of most Black kids in the South or West Side of Chicago. Not the biracial kids who are tall or good looking or at Latin School or U of C prep but the poor kids in the Chicago Public Schools. Barack Obama's upbringing and history is radically different and he is no more of a role model than any successful Ivy League white kid.

5. Yes, he has chosen to Black (maybe for political reasons but don't be so cynical. Clearly chose a lovely Black wife and has Black(er) kids. So he is Black. BUT HE IS ALSO WHITE. WITH A WHTIE MOTHER WHO RAISED HIM. AND WHITE GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED HIM. HE NEVER DEALT WITH BLACK PEOPLE UNTIL HE WAS AN ADULT.
He represented a Black (primarily Senatorial District) that is relatively unchanged because of his representation (still many chronic problems)

6. There is also a double standard of support. Obama can endorse White candidates over Black in other states but we must back him because he is Black. Emil Jones says that Blacks must go with Barack because he has a somewhat Black skin color (there are Hispanics darker than Barack Obama) but Obama backs Mayor Daley over a Black candidate (with a much more compelling story than Barack---Dorothy Brown had a large family, illiterate parents who got educated later in life, mother was a maid, dad was a farmer and factory worker, poverty, religious, dark skinned black, South, real racism, real poverty, real overcoming of obstacles) Now, Obama can back Mayor Daley but don't than play the race card to say we must now back Obama. There is a hypocricy and Double standard here.

7. Obama seems rightfully justified in talking about the genocide in Sudan or the corruption in Kenya. But he is silent on the corruption in Chicago under Daley or the torture in Chicago in Areas 2 and 3 under Jon Burge or the genocide of African American children being murdered, in jail and in a system that seems not to work. Obama is silent at home and in with the powers that be.

8. Obama is NOT a historical first. There is nothing that unique about his candidacy except that the media loves him and he is being hyped and like Biden says he is "clean". BUT the first African American to run for President was Shirley Chisolm a Congressowman from Texas when it was historic and different, Rev. Jesse Jackson ran for President and actually did very well, Rev. Al Sharpton ran for President, and with the Republicans Alan Keyes ran for President and had a small but fervent conservative following and did well in debates, General Colin Powell was almost recruited. So Obama is not a first and really not that unique, the uniqueness is in the number of media stories. Is it because he is light skinned? or more acceptable to whites? or he is a good speaker? What is historic or unique here that was not with Colin Powell, Alan Keyes or Cong Chisolm? Why isn't the darker skinned JC Watts loved by the media or even Democrat Harold Ford?

9. Most people I talk too don't know his stands on the issues or what he really thinks or means or does, just that he is different or represents hope. Was he different in endorsing Todd Stroger or just doing the partisan line? Was he different in endorsing Mayor Daley or doing a good political move? Was he different or reform in wanting to pay the pastor $10,000 or month or was he just like any other politician? What about his fundraising or Tony Rezko? What are his stands on issues?

10. He is more hopeful or optimisitic or not negative yet his operatives and the media destroyed Blair Hull because of his wife and he accepted Congressman Jackson making jokes about wife beating even though that was not what it was, he admitted to drug use but Jack Ryan's sex life with his wife became the biggest story and forced him out of the race, should we explore Barack Obama's sex life? It was fair game for Jack Ryan. Is it negative to ask Barack Obama about his private sex life because he is kind of Black or hopeful or a Democrat but not for Jack Ryan. Obama benefitted from the negative attacks on Blair Hull, Jack Ryan, and the maneuvers of Daley consultant and guru Axelrod.
Obama was the beneficiary of a brutal media and good political operatives.

I am uncertain what is historic, different or hopeful. It seems more of the same with a better and maybe slightly darker veneer.

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Gargamel
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 02:42 pm
And his "non-blackness" cost him the South Carolina...wait a minute.

Now be quiet.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 02:45 pm
Re: Is Obama "Kind of Black" ?
Miller wrote:
His father, who he did not know, was a Black African from Kenay,


Geez!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 02:47 pm
Is Miller kind of offensive?

Magic 8-ball says yes. And Hillary supporters everywhere are doing exactly this: trying to make race the conversation and play upon bigotry and racism to win the nomination.

makes me sick really

Cycloptichorn
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:05 pm
Wow, what an offensive post. Talk about playing the race card. I understand your advocacy for Clinton, she's your candidate and you're pulling hard, but this is the kind of stuff that caused Clinton to get half the number of votes that Obama got in South Carolina. Are you willing to do anything to get the racist vote?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:08 pm
I don't think Obama would make a good president, but my thoughts have nothing to do with his background or the color of his skin. Personally, as a human being, I think that he is one sharp, articulate person. He simply does not share my political views.

I think that it is obnoxious to even bring up his color or his heritage. IMO, people who do so are simply throwing in a "red herring" to tap into the fears and prejudices of people.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:15 pm
Re: Is Obama "Kind of Black" ?
Francis wrote:
Miller wrote:
His father, who he did not know, was a Black African from Kenay,


Geez!


Not written by MILLER. QUoted from the written word of RADIORAHEEM...
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:16 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Is Miller kind of offensive?

Cycloptichorn


Miller is merely quoting the poster RADIORAHEEM.

Direct your feelings to him.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:19 pm
Quoting crap is crap...
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:24 pm
Francis wrote:
Quoting crap is crap...


Do tell!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:33 pm
Francis wrote:
Quoting crap is crap...


It's crap squared, then?????
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:34 pm
There is a lot of "stuff" out there. I think that what a person chooses to impart to others out of that huge domain of information says a lot about that person. Nuff said!!!
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:40 pm
dlowan wrote:
Francis wrote:
Quoting crap is crap...


It's crap squared, then?????


No, it's an identity. Not a multiplication. Laughing
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:11 pm
engineer wrote:
I understand your advocacy for Clinton...

IMO, she's a shill for the Republicans.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 08:22 pm
I don't think race is really important; it's just a red-herring. I say this because, in my opinion, Republicans would vote for the individual whether they were White or Black. I mean if McCain was Black, or Romney was Black, I believe, the same Republicans would vote for them that did in the primaries. I believe Republicans would vote for Condaleeza Rice, or General Colin Powell. And, I believe, many Blacks would not vote for these two Republicans, if they ever ran.

I believe Democrats just have a party that's divided, and this contest between Clinton and Obama exploits that reality.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:18 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
There is a lot of "stuff" out there. I think that what a person chooses to impart to others out of that huge domain of information says a lot about that person. Nuff said!!!


Once again, we agree Very Happy
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2008 07:19 am
Miller wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Francis wrote:
Quoting crap is crap...


It's crap squared, then?????


No, it's an identity. Not a multiplication. Laughing


Why is it relavent? You posted the article, therefore, you must feel it has merit.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2008 01:55 pm
Miller
Black or white
democracy with decency should prevail.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2008 03:29 pm
dlowan wrote:
Francis wrote:
Quoting crap is crap...


It's crap squared, then?????


damn!!! ouch!!!!
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2008 12:35 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Francis wrote:
Quoting crap is crap...


It's crap squared, then?????


damn!!! ouch!!!!


NO! It's an identity:

C = C

Rolling Eyes
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