infinity and god

Let me know, would ya?

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Nah, too expensive. I just spit out $95.00 for radiohead tickets. Hell is too expensive. Not a wise investment. I'd rather invest intellectually in good living and the betterment of mankind than invest in the old-timey idea of enternal punishment, which itself is ironic and counter-intuitive.

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Good luck.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Good luck.

I guess if you are willing to believe in a nonsense idea such a hell adopting the idea of luck is pretty easy.

I don't believe in either.

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I guess you're pretty much screwed, then.

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Nice comeback, Champ.

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Ticomaya,
you are a fundy.

I am not talking to you. Ever.

TKO, don't try to talk to fundies. It's like talking to a monkey with a lip.

A funny website, powered by the stupidity of fundies.

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aperson wrote:

Ticomaya,
you are a fundy.

Finally! Do you know how ****ing long I've wanted to be a fundy?

Quote:

I am not talking to you. Ever.

Ever, ever?

Knock yourself out. You're just a snot-nosed little kid ... I don't want to talk to you anyway.

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"Snot-nosed little kid"?

Your maturity obviously far surpasses mine...

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Re: infinity and god

rockpie wrote:

is it logical?

is it possible?

i think not.

ok then, if not, what's the highest number?

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Raprap, Thanks for the reference to Cantor, who made many important discoveries concerning infinities. You may be fully informed about this mathematician's work, but, if not, you might enjoy THE MYSTERY OF THE ALEPH: Mathematics, the Kabbalah, and the Search for Infinity by Amir Aczel (Pocket Books, 2000).

About the mix of theology and mathematics:

"[Rabbi Joseph ben Akiva, c. A.D. 50-132] used biblical passages and chants he composed himself as vehicles for achieving meditative states of mind. One of these devices was an infinitely bright light the students visualized, symbolizing the chaluk, or robe, which covered God when he appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai. In their meditations, the students strove to achieve the intensity of Moses as he witnessed the robed figure of God.
from Aczel, pp.26-27.

Incidentally, the motto of the Pythagorean's religious cult was "God is number."

Myself, I prefer to enter the topic of infinity via Zeno, Udoxus of Cnidus, and Archimedes of Syracuse.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Yep, you atheists have it pretty easy.

Well, until you descend into the fiery pits of Hell, I guess.

So, Ticomaya

Just incase you're interested:

Hebrew: SHEOL
Translation: Pit, Grave.
Translation in Bible: Hell.

Ergo: There is no Hell, just a pit in the ground with your name on a tomb-stone.

Back on topic.

I don't think proving infinity proves God. Proving there is a box does not prove the box is full.
Then again proving infinity false contradicts a God that is everywhere at once, like the Christian God.
This doesn't contradict a finite God although. But a finite God would probably not be omnipotent. Therefore not God in the sense most people see.
Therefore proving infinity false denies a God.

That said I do believe Infinity is real.

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Atheist101 wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Yep, you atheists have it pretty easy.

Well, until you descend into the fiery pits of Hell, I guess.

So, Ticomaya

Just incase you're interested:

Hebrew: SHEOL
Translation: Pit, Grave.
Translation in Bible: Hell.

Ergo: There is no Hell, just a pit in the ground with your name on a tomb-stone.

That's fabulous news, Atheist101 ... thanks for doing the research.

And good luck with that.

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english:hell or hellfire
greek:Gevenna
translation:fire pit

According to Jesus, hell is an eternal place full of fire and everlasting punishment.

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Welcome, Atheist101, to A2K! I can already tell by your first 2 posts that you are an intelligent and perceptive atheist. I look forward to seeing more of you.

A hint: Ticomaya is, I have already witnessed, highly confident in his beliefs. As you can probably judge by his post, no amount of logic will change them, so don't try. Fortunately most other theists here are quite open to debate (in the largest possible sense that a theist can be open).

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aperson wrote:

Welcome, Atheist101, to A2K! I can already tell by your first 2 posts that you are an intelligent and perceptive atheist. I look forward to seeing more of you.

A hint: Ticomaya is, I have already witnessed, highly confident in his beliefs. As you can probably judge by his post, no amount of logic will change them, so don't try. Fortunately most other theists here are quite open to debate (in the largest possible sense that a theist can be open).

Thanks Aperson.

I wasn't looking forward to a theist flaming. But I should of guessed that there were some other intelligent life-forms on this forum.

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aperson wrote:

A hint: Ticomaya is, I have already witnessed, highly confident in his beliefs. As you can probably judge by his post, no amount of logic will change them, so don't try. Fortunately most other theists here are quite open to debate (in the largest possible sense that a theist can be open).

A self-indictment.

What is the purpose of your debates on this topic, aperson? You are not open to changing your mind. Not at this stage in your life, at least. You are too convinced of the correctness of your views. When I was your age, I was a smart kid. And I, too, was a disbeliever. I believed in my logic ... I was comforted by it. No, no amount of debate will change your views on this subject. Am I wrong? Be sure to tell me if you think I'm incorrectly stating your position.

Maybe one day your thinking will ... "season," for lack of a better term, as mine did. Maybe not. But one thing's for certain: Nothing I say -- nothing anyone says -- on this forum will alter your thinking on whether or not you believe in God. This is the reason I do not typically engage in protracted debate in the religion forum.

But don't let me dissuade you. You keep right on tilting at windmills.

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Ticomaya wrote:

aperson wrote:
A hint: Ticomaya is, I have already witnessed, highly confident in his beliefs. As you can probably judge by his post, no amount of logic will change them, so don't try. Fortunately most other theists here are quite open to debate (in the largest possible sense that a theist can be open).

A self-indictment.

What is the purpose of your debates on this topic, aperson? You are not open to changing your mind. Not at this stage in your life, at least. You are too convinced of the correctness of your views. When I was your age, I was a smart kid. And I, too, was a disbeliever. I believed in my logic ... I was comforted by it. No, no amount of debate will change your views on this subject. Am I wrong? Be sure to tell me if you think I'm incorrectly stating your position.

Maybe one day your thinking will ... "season," for lack of a better term, as mine did. Maybe not. But one thing's for certain: Nothing I say -- nothing anyone says -- on this forum will alter your thinking on whether or not you believe in God. This is the reason I do not typically engage in protracted debate in the religion forum.

But don't let me dissuade you. You keep right on tilting at windmills.

So. If as you say, at his age, you were a non-believer. What changed your mind?

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Atheist101,

As a fellow atheist, I too welcome you to the forum. After several years here now, a couple of observations come to mind:

1. A person (self) does not hold "a belief". They are that belief. A belief is involved with the integrity of a particular "self concept"

2. All "things" whether they be "selves", "gods" or "rocks" only have "existence" as nodes of communication. In other words there is no "external reality of things".....there are anly interactional exhanges in which "things" serve functional purposes. The fact that some "things" have agreed "physical properties" involving "evidence" are aspects of the interaction called "communication".

It follows for "me" ( Smile

) at least that debates about "existence of God" are totally futile. An atheist cannot deny the existence of the concept "God" and concepts are all "we" have ! An atheist is merely stating his negative relationship to the utility of the concept, or indeed his feelings about its detrimental influence on human relationships.

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fresco wrote:

Atheist101,

As a fellow atheist, I too welcome you to the forum. After several years here now, a couple of observations come to mind:

1. A person (self) does not hold "a belief". They are that belief. A belief is involved with the integrity of a particular "self concept"

2. All "things" whether they be "selves", "gods" or "rocks" only have "existence" as nodes of communication. In other words there is no "external reality of things".....there are anly interactional exhanges in which "things" serve functional purposes. The fact that some "things" have agreed "physical properties" involving "evidence" are aspects of the interaction called "communication".

It follows for "me" ( ) at least that debates about "existence of God" are totally futile. An atheist cannot deny the existence of the concept "God" and concepts are all "we" have ! An atheist is merely stating his negative relationship to the utility of the concept, or indeed his feelings about its detrimental influence on human relationships.

Wow that's good. I like it. Thanks Fresco.

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