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Russia Was Better Prepared for Collapse than the U.S.

 
 
Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 01:25 pm
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 05:54 pm
A very interesting and thought provoking post, Solve. Thank you. How many will understand its message? So ironic that the USA is now collapsing just like the Soviet Union 20 years before. After all the boasting and vainglory, the "only remaining superpower" will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre. Hubris brings its own punishment.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:49 pm
Brilliant Solve. Fabulous irony. Fantastic wisdom.

I wish I could write like that.

Why do you think we let them have their independence so casually?

It was a real bad mistake to win the Cold War I reckon. That Reagan chap was only an actor though so I can't bring myself to hold him to account.

The silly sods who elected him are another matter entirely.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 07:25 am
contrex wrote:
A very interesting and thought provoking post, Solve. Thank you. How many will understand its message? So ironic that the USA is now collapsing just like the Soviet Union 20 years before. After all the boasting and vainglory, the "only remaining superpower" will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre. Hubris brings its own punishment.


Collapsing? Are you "f"ing kidding me? Rolling Eyes

This country is not even in an economic "crsis". The media portrays it that way and you suckers buy into it and say the US is collpsing? Laughing Laughing
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:35 am
And that's Hubris.

Maybe there are more ways than one to read Solve's quote. Not just your way.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 09:40 am
woiyo wrote:
This country is not even in an economic "crsis". The media portrays it that way and you suckers buy into it and say the US is collpsing? Laughing Laughing


The US isn't collapsing, nobody said it was, but its economy is. And yes it is in a crisis. Try reading some news from the rest of the world.

4 hours ago...

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India's Finance Minister P Chidambaram has said the US financial crisis may affect India to the extent that its economic growth could come down to 8.5%


20 hours ago...

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Bangkok Post: In a worse-case scenario, if losses were to continue to increase due to the sub-prime mortgage crisis, US economic growth could drop to just 1% this year


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NEW DELHI: PM Manmohan Singh on Friday asked the US to take steps to check the subprime crisis, which was having an impact on the global economy.


24th Jan...

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The Secretary General of the Boao Forum for Asia is upbeat about the region's capacity to withstand any impact from the US financial crisis.


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Press Trust of India: Anticipating an indirect impact of the US financial crisis on the economy, Finance Minister P Chidambaram today said the country needs to respond appropriately to the contagion in the global markets.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 10:38 am
contrex wrote:
A very interesting and thought provoking post, Solve. Thank you. How many will understand its message? So ironic that the USA is now collapsing just like the Soviet Union 20 years before. After all the boasting and vainglory, the "only remaining superpower" will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre. Hubris brings its own punishment.


The Soviet Union collapsed not simply because of its financial insolvency, but because it was the center of an empire of unwilling participants whose borders were co-terminal. The American "empire" is largely capitalist, with our military occupation commitments in nations far from our borders. When the Soviet Union collapsed, its consumer economy--such as it was--was on government life support, because the economy did not supply as many goods as the people wanted, nor did it supply the specific goods that the people wanted. When the authority of the central government evaporated due to the failed coup attempt, Yeltsin was able to step into the political vacuum and survive because people's economic expectations could not get much lower, and almost any progress was possible, even in the face of the shameless corruption which followed.

The American economy, however, still represents the largest consumer economy in the world, and the current economic downturn is in large measure a product of two circumstances. The first is the tax and spend policies of the current administration, abetted through six years by a Republican Congress. The second is the sub prime mortgage crisis. This is largely a crisis in banking circles, and is a direct result of investment greed. The reason that so much of the world catches an economic cold when the United States sneezes economically is because so much of the world follows the same greed trail as do American capitalists. Those who will suffer the most, alas, as is usually the case with capitalism, are the investors who had invested in banks which made these bad loans, or invested in other financial institutions making these bad loans, or in investment and money market funds which had made those unwise investments--all of them motivated by unchecked greed.

Ultimately, those most responsible are large block share holders who don't restrain their corporate boards from their folly because they, as is the case with the board members, are blinded by their greed. This is as true of banks in Mumbai or Bangkok who unwisely invested in holders of sub-prime mortgages as it is of the American bankers.

There will be hard times for Americans economically, and by extension for most of the rest of the world, because the investment folly is so wide-spread. However, to suggest that this signals the collapse of the United States is nothing less than idiotic--and is redolent of people predicting events which they wish to see happen, because of their antipathy to the United States rather than because a clear-headed, sober review of circumstances which point that way. How long this economic recession in the United States will last will depend on the policies of the next administration in conjunction with the next Congress.

S & C is one of the worst at this site for predicting a dire future for the United States. This is understandable given that he so fanatically hates the United States and Americans, as well as global capitalism and the multi-national corporations. For all that he often has a good point about the evils of capitalism and multi-national corporations, he completely lacks a sense of proportion, and is given to frothing at the mouth ranting.

Contrex should know better, but given his irrational "Americanophobia," i'm not surprised to see him post such drivel.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 11:12 am
contrex wrote:
A very interesting and thought provoking post, Solve. Thank you. How many will understand its message? So ironic that the USA is now collapsing just like the Soviet Union 20 years before. After all the boasting and vainglory, the "only remaining superpower" will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre. Hubris brings its own punishment.


Reminds me of that old Mark Twain quote (paraphrasing), "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it." Laughing
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woiyo
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 12:31 pm
contrex wrote:
woiyo wrote:
This country is not even in an economic "crsis". The media portrays it that way and you suckers buy into it and say the US is collpsing? Laughing Laughing


The US isn't collapsing, nobody said it was, but its economy is. And yes it is in a crisis. Try reading some news from the rest of the world.

4 hours ago...

Quote:
India's Finance Minister P Chidambaram has said the US financial crisis may affect India to the extent that its economic growth could come down to 8.5%


20 hours ago...

Quote:
Bangkok Post: In a worse-case scenario, if losses were to continue to increase due to the sub-prime mortgage crisis, US economic growth could drop to just 1% this year


Quote:
NEW DELHI: PM Manmohan Singh on Friday asked the US to take steps to check the subprime crisis, which was having an impact on the global economy.


24th Jan...

Quote:
The Secretary General of the Boao Forum for Asia is upbeat about the region's capacity to withstand any impact from the US financial crisis.


Quote:
Press Trust of India: Anticipating an indirect impact of the US financial crisis on the economy, Finance Minister P Chidambaram today said the country needs to respond appropriately to the contagion in the global markets.


Typical hogwash.

So Indias growth will only be 8.5%? That is a crisis?

Worst case scenario is US gorwth is 1%?

Apparently, you have no idea what a real crisis is.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 12:50 pm
You have to grow at more than 1% just to pay your (enormous) debts. Worst case is meltdown.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 01:03 pm
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High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 01:12 pm
contrex wrote:
You have to grow at more than 1% just to pay your (enormous) debts. Worst case is meltdown.


Contrex - you are conflating flows and stocks; the latter are integrals of the former from T=0 to today, while the former are derivatives of the stocks for some small deltaT.

Your alleged minimal annual growth rate required for debt repayments is therefore meaningless.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 01:15 pm
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the latter are integrals of the former from T=0 to today, while the former are derivatives of the stocks for some small deltaT.


Could I have that in English, please?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 03:09 pm
The article was by Dmitry Orlov who might just be a real-estate agent specialising in out of the way and run down properties.

I read his link about village life and it was fairly interesting. Nowhere near a witty as the article on here though.
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hanno
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:52 pm
They were better prepared for collapse? Damn right. The USA is not merely a country, it is an ideal.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:10 am
hanno wrote:
They were better prepared for collapse? Damn right. The USA is not merely a country, it is an ideal.


So where can you spend ideals?
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