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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 11:46 am
January 25, 2008
Editorial
Primary Choices: Hillary Clinton
This generally is the stage of a campaign when Democrats have to work hard to get excited about whichever candidate seems most likely to outlast an uninspiring pack. That is not remotely the case this year.
The early primaries produced two powerful main contenders: Hillary Clinton, the brilliant if at times harsh-sounding senator from New York; and Barack Obama, the incandescent if still undefined senator from Illinois. The remaining long shot, John Edwards, has enlivened the race with his own brand of raw populism.
As Democrats look ahead to the primaries in the biggest states on Feb. 5, The Times's editorial board strongly recommends that they select Hillary Clinton as their nominee for the 2008 presidential election.
We have enjoyed hearing Mr. Edwards's fiery oratory, but we cannot support his candidacy. The former senator from North Carolina has repudiated so many of his earlier positions, so many of his Senate votes, that we're not sure where he stands. We certainly don't buy the notion that he can hold back the tide of globalization.
By choosing Mrs. Clinton, we are not denying Mr. Obama's appeal or his gifts. The idea of the first African-American nominee of a major party also is exhilarating, and so is the prospect of the first woman nominee. "Firstness" is not a reason to choose. The times that false choice has been raised, more often by Mrs. Clinton, have tarnished the campaign.
Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton would both help restore America's global image, to which President Bush has done so much grievous harm. They are committed to changing America's role in the world, not just its image.
On the major issues, there is no real gulf separating the two. They promise an end to the war in Iraq, more equitable taxation, more effective government spending, more concern for social issues, a restoration of civil liberties and an end to the politics of division of George W. Bush and Karl Rove.
Mr. Obama has built an exciting campaign around the notion of change, but holds no monopoly on ideas that would repair the governing of America. Mrs. Clinton sometimes overstates the importance of résumé. Hearing her talk about the presidency, her policies and answers for America's big problems, we are hugely impressed by the depth of her knowledge, by the force of her intellect and by the breadth of, yes, her experience.
It is unfair, especially after seven years of Mr. Bush's inept leadership, but any Democrat will face tougher questioning about his or her fitness to be commander in chief. Mrs. Clinton has more than cleared that bar, using her years in the Senate well to immerse herself in national security issues, and has won the respect of world leaders and many in the American military. She would be a strong commander in chief.
Domestically, Mrs. Clinton has tackled complex policy issues, sometimes failing. She has shown a willingness to learn and change. Her current proposals on health insurance reflect a clear shift from her first, famously disastrous foray into the issue. She has learned that powerful interests cannot simply be left out of the meetings. She understands that all Americans must be covered ?- but must be allowed to choose their coverage, including keeping their current plans. Mr. Obama may also be capable of tackling such issues, but we have not yet seen it. Voters have to judge candidates not just on the promise they hold, but also on the here and now.
The sense of possibility, of a generational shift, rouses Mr. Obama's audiences and not just through rhetorical flourishes. He shows voters that he understands how much they hunger for a break with the Bush years, for leadership and vision and true bipartisanship. We hunger for that, too. But we need more specifics to go with his amorphous promise of a new governing majority, a clearer sense of how he would govern.
The potential upside of a great Obama presidency is enticing, but this country faces huge problems, and will no doubt be facing more that we can't foresee. The next president needs to start immediately on challenges that will require concrete solutions, resolve, and the ability to make government work. Mrs. Clinton is more qualified, right now, to be president.
We opposed President Bush's decision to invade Iraq and we disagree with Mrs. Clinton's vote for the resolution on the use of force. That's not the issue now; it is how the war will be ended. Mrs. Clinton seems not only more aware than Mr. Obama of the consequences of withdrawal, but is already thinking through the diplomatic and military steps that will be required to contain Iraq's chaos after American troops leave.
On domestic policy, both candidates would turn the government onto roughly the same course ?- shifting resources to help low-income and middle-class Americans, and broadening health coverage dramatically. Mrs. Clinton also has good ideas about fixing the dysfunction in Mr. Bush's No Child Left Behind education program.
Mr. Obama talks more about the damage Mr. Bush has done to civil liberties, the rule of law and the balance of powers. Mrs. Clinton is equally dedicated to those issues, and more prepared for the Herculean task of figuring out exactly where, how and how often the government's powers have been misused ?- and what must now be done to set things right.
As strongly as we back her candidacy, we urge Mrs. Clinton to take the lead in changing the tone of the campaign. It is not good for the country, the Democratic Party or for Mrs. Clinton, who is often tagged as divisive, in part because of bitter feeling about her husband's administration and the so-called permanent campaign. (Indeed, Bill Clinton's overheated comments are feeding those resentments, and could do long-term damage to her candidacy if he continues this way.)
We know that she is capable of both uniting and leading. We saw her going town by town through New York in 2000, including places where Clinton-bashing was a popular sport. She won over skeptical voters and then delivered on her promises and handily won re-election in 2006.
Mrs. Clinton must now do the same job with a broad range of America's voters. She will have to let Americans see her power to listen and lead, but she won't be able to do it town by town.
When we endorsed Mrs. Clinton in 2006, we were certain she would continue to be a great senator, but since her higher ambitions were evident, we wondered if she could present herself as a leader to the nation.
Her ideas, her comeback in New Hampshire and strong showing in Nevada, her new openness to explaining herself and not just her programs, and her abiding, powerful intellect show she is fully capable of doing just that. She is the best choice for the Democratic Party as it tries to regain the White House.
NYTimes.com
What would we expect from this Rag of a liberal newspaper. I am still trying to find anywhere in the article that shows all the Bills Hillery has sponsored that became law.
Where in the article are her accomplishments?
"Domestically, Mrs. Clinton has tackled complex policy issues, sometimes failing."
What are those issues?
She is a carpet bagging Communist, incapable of running her own campaign, and has shown absolutely NO Leadership at all for NYS.
woiyo wrote:What would we expect from this Rag of a liberal newspaper. I am still trying to find anywhere in the article that shows all the Bills Hillery has sponsored that became law.
Where in the article are her accomplishments?
"Domestically, Mrs. Clinton has tackled complex policy issues, sometimes failing."
What are those issues?
She is a carpet bagging Communist, incapable of running her own campaign, and has shown absolutely NO Leadership at all for NYS.
Her health care reform would still be with private insurance companies. That's not Communistic.
Her coming to NYS to be a senator is not carpet bagging. I think of it as her having the good sense to stay in the East where she is appreciated.
If she is in the general election, I'd guess she'd get the NYS electoral votes. Many New Yorkers (NYC) like her.
Miller
I read the laborious, long litteral editorial and ignored.
the so called projecter of future butcher of humanity should pay high respect for the man who enthuse/invigorate the corporate culture.
I bet that NYT had miserably failed to take this stand.
Await for the inevitable hour of the result.
my favourite take on hillary
the biggest alimony settlement ever granted to a married woman, the presidency of the united states of america (if bill can make it happen)
The editorial staff of NYT
should feel ashamed of their profession.
If and only if they have some scruples to uphold the neutrality.
They had indirectly acclaimed a war without reasons and legitimacy.
Of couse these intellectuals wish to shake the world
according to the whims and fancies of their pay masters.
I am quite disgusted with these embedded easy chair intellectuals.
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Sounds like Caroline Kennedy is going a bit senile these days. How else can you explain her support of Obama?
Miller
You know this song?
Winner takes it all= Abba
Ticomaya wrote:Foofie wrote:woiyo wrote:She is a carpet bagging Communist, incapable of running her own campaign, and has shown absolutely NO Leadership at all for NYS.
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Her coming to NYS to be a senator is not carpet bagging. ...
She's a "carpet bagger"?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger]Wikipedia[/url] wrote:The term carpetbaggers was used to describe white Republicans in the South who had allegedly arrived with all of their worldly possessions stuffed into a carpetbag, ready to loot and plunder the defeated South. [1] Although the term is still an insult in common usage, in histories and reference works it is now used without derogatory intent. Since 1900 the term has also been used to describe outsiders attempting to gain political office or economic advantage, especially in areas (thematically or geographically) to which they previously had no connection.
With Some Help, Clintons Purchase a White House
She seems to fit the definition exactly.
Does it not matter that Clinton’s key foreign policy advisers are drawn heavily from the ranks of the neoliberals, who cheered as loudly for President Bush’s war as did the neoconservatives?
Isn’t it troubling that she can’t hold a candle to Sen. John McCain when it comes to fighting Pentagon waste or pushing for campaign-finance reform to curtail the power of lobbyists?
Isn’t it disturbing that Sen. Clinton has received more money than any other candidate of either party from the big defense contractors, according to a report on the Huffington Post?
Why have the war profiteers given her twice the campaign contributions that they sent to McCain, if not for the expectation that she is on their side of the taxpayer rip-off that has seen the military budget rise to an all-time high?
It’s for the same reason that the bankers, Wall Street traders and other swindlers who produced our economic meltdown fund Clinton.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080129_obama_clinton_and_the_war/
The Financial Times also endorsed Hillary.
woiyo wrote:Ticomaya wrote:Foofie wrote:woiyo wrote:She is a carpet bagging Communist, incapable of running her own campaign, and has shown absolutely NO Leadership at all for NYS.
...
Her coming to NYS to be a senator is not carpet bagging. ...
She's a "carpet bagger"?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger]Wikipedia[/url] wrote:The term carpetbaggers was used to describe white Republicans in the South who had allegedly arrived with all of their worldly possessions stuffed into a carpetbag, ready to loot and plunder the defeated South. [1] Although the term is still an insult in common usage, in histories and reference works it is now used without derogatory intent. Since 1900 the term has also been used to describe outsiders attempting to gain political office or economic advantage, especially in areas (thematically or geographically) to which they previously had no connection.
With Some Help, Clintons Purchase a White House
She seems to fit the definition exactly.
Yeah .... I meant: She's a "carpet bagger."
No question mark.
Doesn't seem to have bothered New Yorkers, does it? So why does it bother you?
username wrote:Doesn't seem to have bothered New Yorkers, does it? So why does it bother you?
Hillary bothers me.
New Yorkers can elect whomever the hell they want to represent them, and I couldn't care less.
username wrote:Doesn't seem to have bothered New Yorkers, does it? So why does it bother you?
The educated voters in NY will recognize she has accomplished nothing as a Senator for the State. Take away the liberals in NYC and she would lose big time.
woiyo wrote:username wrote:Doesn't seem to have bothered New Yorkers, does it? So why does it bother you?
The educated voters in NY will recognize she has accomplished nothing as a Senator for the State. Take away the liberals in NYC and she would lose big time.
That's not what I've heard from our corporate people in NY. They say her office has been all about helping local corporations and has had a receptive ear to their concerns.
engineer wrote:woiyo wrote:username wrote:Doesn't seem to have bothered New Yorkers, does it? So why does it bother you?
The educated voters in NY will recognize she has accomplished nothing as a Senator for the State. Take away the liberals in NYC and she would lose big time.
That's not what I've heard from our corporate people in NY. They say her office has been all about helping local corporations and has had a receptive ear to their concerns.
How has she helped?
Name the 5, or even 1, bill she sponsored that became law.