whos worse ? nazis or americans?

Foofie wrote:

Anti-Semitism was never a state sponsored position, either officially, or unofficially, in the United States

It was. I hate that about our history, but it was. Deny it all you like, but it was.

Even the historians play their part in this mass hypocrisy, They just leave out the bad parts in school so we are all on the same page as we roll forward together.

Setanta wrote:

OGIONIK wrote:

i have yet to hear one actual good reason for being at war for any reason, the only reason for war is to build empires, period.

Any war fought in self-defense is reasonable. ........... When "real life" writes: So when a nation is attacked , if it defends itself it is 'building an empire' ?--he's being just as naive, and displaying just as much ignorance as you have done. Iraq did not attack us, nor were they threatening to do so. The invasion of Iraq was never remotely a war of self-defense.

I was responding to the same statement:

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i have yet to hear one actual good reason for being at war for any reason, the only reason for war is to build empires, period.

that you did.

Where did I mention Iraq? I didn't.[/i][/u] (emphasis added)

Let's also remember that the USA went into Iraq in 1990 to push the Iraqis back to Baghdad after we had turned back their invasion of their neighbor Kuwait.

The present Iraqi situation is the continuation of that conflict. Saddam did not live up to the agreements he made to bring about the ceasefire of 1990. He continued to harbor and finance terrorists and continued to attempt to restart his WMD programs and filled mass graves with the bodies of his political enemies.

As an Independent, I supported and do support the president's goals for Iraq and for containing terrorism in the Middle East.

When "real life" writes: So when a nation is attacked , if it defends itself it is 'building an empire' ?--he's being just as naive, and displaying just as much ignorance as you have done. Iraq did not attack us, nor were they threatening to do so. The invasion of Iraq was never remotely a war of self-defense.

Like most religions the "prophet" is given the "gospel" and that gospel is always that "we" are the chosen people and "thay" are "savages" or "infidels" or "Gentiles". The religion always serves as a divine sanction for spreading terror, enslaving people and taking their countries resources. It was necessary for the Nazis to get their own version of a religion if they also wanted to be the chosen people and claim rights to this divine sanction.

Ok, What different about them?

this?

Deuteronomy 14:2, "For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth."

Do you mean do I resent not being born Jewish so I can be loved and chosen by god?

No, I don't think so. Wait, What do I get?

No, but thanks for making my point.

God does not choose you, You find him and hes not at the clubhouse.

The aarow is the gate

That means I win.

teaching kids selected bits of history (by whom? certainly not by african americans and not by native americans...) leads to good citizens? who knew. I thought we wanted citizens who can think critically (which is very different from self-hating). i thought that was called propaganda, not history.

and, by the way, more and more nations are complexifying their history textbooks, adding the 'bad stuff' in; historians work with other historians across borders, bringing diverging historical narratives together... the goal for most of them is as much diversity,analysis, learning.... not selecting and preaching only what's comfortable or positive.