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Teleco Immunity

 
 
Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 11:32 am
Sen. Dodd is planning on Filibustering the FISA reform bill which is up today. Reid has capitulated to Bush's insistence that Teleco Immunity should be included in the bill, and is not fighting to keep the administration accountable for who they spy upon, let alone for their lawbreaking actions.

You can watch the filibuster here:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

Given that there is a 'good faith clause' already present in this case, why should there be any special immunity for telecos?

Given that the teleco spying started far before 9/11 (Here), as early as 2/21/2001, how can it be argued that this system was set up in an emergency situation?

What rationale gives the telecos the right to break their contracts - nearly all of which contain specific language preventing the telecos from giving your info to the gov't without a warrant?

Why is it that Dem Senators who are pushing for immunity, cannot explain the link between their opinions on the issue and the massive increases in donations to their campaigns by teleco agencies? Rockefeller especially. Feinstein. Others.

I can see no good reason to support immunity for any teleco company, who knowingly and willingly broke the law, in order to secure lucrative gov't contracts? Who are willing to cut off cut off the wiretaps if the bills aren't paid? Does that sound patriotic to you?

I would love to hear anyone try and defend the idea of providing immunity for the telecoms.

Cycloptichorn
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 01:01 pm
Maybe, just MAYBE, the Teleco's feel their sense of patriotic duty to help secure this nation.
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 01:58 pm
woiyo wrote:
Maybe, just MAYBE, the Teleco's feel their sense of patriotic duty to help secure this nation.

Then maybe, heck, almost certainly, they should insist on the rule of law and release data only after receiving a court order. Note that when Quest said they would be happy to comply, but needed a court order, the government backed off but froze them out of contracts.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 02:43 pm
woiyo wrote:
Maybe, just MAYBE, the Teleco's feel their sense of patriotic duty to help secure this nation.


BS, if that was the case, why this:

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I can see no good reason to support immunity for any teleco company, who knowingly and willingly broke the law, in order to secure lucrative gov't contracts? Who are willing to cut off cut off the wiretaps if the bills aren't paid? Does that sound patriotic to you?


The telecoms involved got paid handsomely to spy upon us, and when they don't receive the bills, they stop spying. Nothing patriotic about it; it is a business decision.

Besides; Patriotism is no excuse for breaking the law at all, and even if it were to be considered one, it should be a court of law who decides whether people are truly acting out of patriotism - or only their self interest, as actually seems to be the case here.

Cycloptichorn
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:00 pm
Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have both said they oppose this immunity bill4, but now is a time we need real leadership. Senators Obama and Clinton have enormous influence with Democrats right now—if they helped lead a filibuster against this bill, other Senators would take notice and the public would see Democrats showing principle and backbone.

Can you call Senator Barack Obama today? (Others will call Clinton.) Tell him we need his leadership to help block immunity for phone companies that helped Bush break the law. Here's the number to call: (866) 675-2008.


UPDATE III: The attempt to substitute the non-amnesty Judiciary bill for the amnesty-laden Intelligence bill failed, 60-34.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Let the journey of Change and Hope start from here
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:09 pm
Chris Dodd is a leader in the fight against telecom immunity (which is going on in the Senate as I type this).

Thank you Dodd Website

If you appreciate someone fighting bravely your civil liberties, consider making a thank you donation to Chris Dodd to help him retire his campaign debt.

He deserves it for his leadership.
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