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Mon 21 Jan, 2008 09:13 am
Barack Obama Blasts Bill Clinton for Lying
by FOXNews.com
Monday, January 21, 2008
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama took his fight against rival Hillary Rodham Clinton to a new level by taking a shot at her husband, former president Bill Clinton, accusing him of "completely mischaracterizing" his words.
Obama, appearing in a taped interview on morning network television, said, "If you have something that just directly contradicts the facts and it's coming from a former president, I think that's a problem, because people presume that a former president is going to have more credibility. And I think there are certain responsibilities that are carried with that."
Pointing to one specific incident, Obama said, "President Clinton went in front of a large group, said that I had claimed that only Republicans had had any good ideas since 1980. And then he added, ?'I'm not making this up.' He was making it up and completely mischaracterizing my statement."
Responding to Obama's statements, the Clinton campaign posted a fact-check on a campaign Web site to bolster Bill Clinton's arguments against Obama.
"We understand Senator Obama is frustrated by his loss in Nevada, but facts are facts," Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer said.
The interview comes on the heels of his loss in the Nevada caucuses to Clinton, and a recent trade of barbs between the two campaigns over racial issues. The two will face off again in only five days in South Carolina.
"I have to say just broadly, you know, the former president, who I think all of us have a lot of regard for, has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling," Obama said.
"You know, he continues to make statements that aren't supported by the facts, whether it's about my record of opposition to the war in Iraq, or our approach to organizing in Las Vegas. You know, this has become a habit. And one of the things that I think we're going to have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he's not making statements that are factually accurate," he said.
When asked if he believed Bill Clinton is taking an appropriate role on his wife's campaign, Obama said that while he understood that Bill would want to support Hillary's campaign ?- much like Michele Obama is supporting his own campaign ?- "there should be some standards of honesty in any political discourse. That's part of the change that I want to bring about."
Sen. Obama, D-Ill., speaking with ABC News, also countered claims by the former president that vote-tampering in Nevada appeared to benefit Obama, and he also said President Clinton is bending the truth, in an interview with ABC News that aired Monday morning.
While not refuting that improper activity might have taken place on behalf of his supporters, Obama said, "What I'm absolutely sure about is is that if there was improper activity, it was taking place on behalf of Clinton supporters who we know were trying to get doors closed before people went in."
Someone should ask Obama about his association with his spiritual advisor who is a supporter of Farrakahan and all he stands for. People are judged by they company the keep.
Sure, however, he did it after it became politically expedient.
The Clinton campaign is clearly taking some of its cues from the last two Bush campaigns. Refusing to answer questions in Iowa was one example. Attacks using un-truths and half-truths is another. The victory road for the Republicans in '08 consists of McCain (who has some independent appeal) winning on the Republican side and Clinton winning on the Democratic side after using dirty tricks to beat Obama. Independents, faced with two pro-war, establishment candidates go with the preceived straight shooter and McCain is president.
au1929 wrote:Someone should ask Obama about his association with his spiritual advisor who is a supporter of Farrakahan and all he stands for. People are judged by they company the keep.

I'm still trying to find out why Obama has an Hispanic nanny for his kids and not a black woman.
( And of course there's still the 3 locks on the front door of his house in Hyde Park in Chicago.)
au1929 wrote:Sure, however, he did it after it became politically expedient.
What does that mean?
He did it after a bunch of emails made false claims... wonder if you got one of them?
engineer, I worry a lot about that exact scenario.
Miller wrote:I'm still trying to find out why Obama has an Hispanic nanny for his kids and not a black woman.
( And of course there's still the 3 locks on the front door of his house in Hyde Park in Chicago.)
Because he hired the best candidate from the applications available instead of blindly focusing on race?
But what is "known," exactly? That at one point Obama's pastor (not Obama himself, for example) gave an award to Farakkhan? What's so awful, there, that it needs to be brought up in some sort of preemptive strike?
Eh, I know I won't get anywhere with this. I've answered the implication for anyone reading along, I know that au1929 doesn't like Obama and that's his prerogative. So, moving on.
engineer wrote:Miller wrote:I'm still trying to find out why Obama has an Hispanic nanny for his kids and not a black woman.
( And of course there's still the 3 locks on the front door of his house in Hyde Park in Chicago.)
Because he hired the best candidate from the applications available instead of blindly focusing on race?
And how do you know this? Did you apply for the nanny postion, yourself?
Miller wrote:engineer wrote:Miller wrote:I'm still trying to find out why Obama has an Hispanic nanny for his kids and not a black woman.
( And of course there's still the 3 locks on the front door of his house in Hyde Park in Chicago.)
Because he hired the best candidate from the applications available instead of blindly focusing on race?
And how do you know this? Did you apply for the nanny postion, yourself?
My question mark at the end implies that I don't know this, but certainly the original post implies some sinister motive, so I looked at the same fact and suggested a non-sinister motive. In fact, both of us could be wrong and I assume you will choose to believe either or neither as you choose. In the best of worlds, you might even think the issue is too trivial to even occupy your thoughts.
engineer wrote:The Clinton campaign is clearly taking some of its cues from the last two Bush campaigns. Refusing to answer questions in Iowa was one example. Attacks using un-truths and half-truths is another. The victory road for the Republicans in '08 consists of McCain (who has some independent appeal) winning on the Republican side and Clinton winning on the Democratic side after using dirty tricks to beat Obama. Independents, faced with two pro-war, establishment candidates go with the preceived straight shooter and McCain is president.
Checkmate. Hillary is the Republican's best hope.
Let's see if I understand the contention.
1. A bunch of emails are circulating stating misrepresentations and falsehoods about Obama and Farakhan.
2. Newspapers publish the misrepresentations and falsehoods.
3. Obama issues a statement correcting those misrepresentations and falsehoods.
4. Some people thank him for making his position clear.
And he is faulted because he made the statement after the newspapers published the misrepresentations and falsehoods?
What was he supposed to do to correct those misrepresentations and falsehoods, Au1929 and when should he have made his statement?
Miller, do you have an link to the information source for this story about the nanny for the Obama children? I'm interested in reading about it.
Also, since you mentioned it, could you give a link to an information source about the three locks on the door of his house? I'd like to read what that is all about too.
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 21, 2008
Historical narratives matter. That's why conservatives are still writing books denouncing F.D.R. and the New Deal; they understand that the way Americans perceive bygone eras, even eras from the seemingly distant past, affects politics today.
And it's also why the furor over Barack Obama's praise for Ronald Reagan is not, as some think, overblown. The fact is that how we talk about the Reagan era still matters immensely for American politics.
Bill Clinton knew that in 1991, when he began his presidential campaign. "The Reagan-Bush years," he declared, "have exalted private gain over public obligation, special interests over the common good, wealth and fame over work and family. The 1980s ushered in a Gilded Age of greed and selfishness, of irresponsibility and excess, and of neglect."
Contrast that with Mr. Obama's recent statement, in an interview with a Nevada newspaper, that Reagan offered a "sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."
Maybe Mr. Obama was, as his supporters insist, simply praising Reagan's political skills. (I think he was trying to curry favor with a conservative editorial board, which did in fact endorse him.) But where in his remarks was the clear declaration that Reaganomics failed?
For it did fail. The Reagan economy was a one-hit wonder. Yes, there was a boom in the mid-1980s, as the economy recovered from a severe recession. But while the rich got much richer, there was little sustained economic improvement for most Americans. By the late 1980s, middle-class incomes were barely higher than they had been a decade before ?- and the poverty rate had actually risen.
When the inevitable recession arrived, people felt betrayed ?- a sense of betrayal that Mr. Clinton was able to ride into the White House.
Given that reality, what was Mr. Obama talking about? Some good things did eventually happen to the U.S. economy ?- but not on Reagan's watch.
For example, I'm not sure what "dynamism" means, but if it means productivity growth, there wasn't any resurgence in the Reagan years. Eventually productivity did take off ?- but even the Bush administration's own Council of Economic Advisers dates the beginning of that takeoff to 1995.
Similarly, if a sense of entrepreneurship means having confidence in the talents of American business leaders, that didn't happen in the 1980s, when all the business books seemed to have samurai warriors on their covers. Like productivity, American business prestige didn't stage a comeback until the mid-1990s, when the U.S. began to reassert its technological and economic leadership.
I understand why conservatives want to rewrite history and pretend that these good things happened while a Republican was in office ?- or claim, implausibly, that the 1981 Reagan tax cut somehow deserves credit for positive economic developments that didn't happen until 14 or more years had passed. (Does Richard Nixon get credit for "Morning in America"?)
But why would a self-proclaimed progressive say anything that lends credibility to this rewriting of history ?- particularly right now, when Reaganomics has just failed all over again?
Like Ronald Reagan, President Bush began his term in office with big tax cuts for the rich and promises that the benefits would trickle down to the middle class. Like Reagan, he also began his term with an economic slump, then claimed that the recovery from that slump proved the success of his policies.
And like Reaganomics ?- but more quickly ?- Bushonomics has ended in grief. The public mood today is as grim as it was in 1992. Wages are lagging behind inflation. Employment growth in the Bush years has been pathetic compared with job creation in the Clinton era. Even if we don't have a formal recession ?- and the odds now are that we will ?- the optimism of the 1990s has evaporated.
This is, in short, a time when progressives ought to be driving home the idea that the right's ideas don't work, and never have.
It's not just a matter of what happens in the next election. Mr. Clinton won his elections, but ?- as Mr. Obama correctly pointed out ?- he didn't change America's trajectory the way Reagan did. Why?
Well, I'd say that the great failure of the Clinton administration ?- more important even than its failure to achieve health care reform, though the two failures were closely related ?- was the fact that it didn't change the narrative, a fact demonstrated by the way Republicans are still claiming to be the next Ronald Reagan.
Now progressives have been granted a second chance to argue that Reaganism is fundamentally wrong: once again, the vast majority of Americans think that the country is on the wrong track. But they won't be able to make that argument if their political leaders, whatever they meant to convey, seem to be saying that Reagan had it right.
sozobe wrote:au1929 wrote:Sure, however, he did it after it became politically expedient.
What does that mean?
He did it after a bunch of emails made false claims... wonder if you got one of them?
engineer, I worry a lot about that exact scenario.
What was in the email? I googled and can't find anything.
Thanks for the links. I assume the 'email' was a reprint of Cohen's opinion piece in the Post? There's no mention of any of this on Obama's website that I can find, although he does mention and debunk other emails that have related to his schooling and religion.