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Anti-war group says war crimes are "encouraged"

 
 
Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 07:57 am
1/19/2008 5:10 PM
By: Brian Dwyer

WATERTOWN, NY - "I was messed up in the head. It was okay for me. I laughed afterwards. We all did. It's just the way things go."

Iraq war veteran Jon Turner said it was almost expected of him to pull the trigger on people who didn't need to die. So he did.

"It was my decision," Turner said. "I made it. Now I have to live with the fact I see someone's eyes screaming at me after I shot them."

But Turner says it wasn't his choice to be encouraged to do it from higher ranking officers. He and three other veterans speaking out Saturday at the Different Drummer Cafe in Watertown said committing war crimes is not only the way things go, but it's unofficial policy.

War crimes "encouraged?"

A group of Iraq war veterans are planning a gathering in Washington D.C. in March to talk about war crimes they've seen or committed during their tours of duty.

"The killing of innocent civilians is policy," veteran Mike Blake said. "It's unit policy and it's Army policy. It's not official policy, but it's what's happens on the ground everyday. It's what unit commanders individually encourage."

The group, part of the national organization called Iraq Veterans Against War are planning an event to be held in Washington, D.C. this coming March called "Winter Soldier" that will have veterans all speaking about war crimes they committed or witnessed during their tours of duty.

"These decisions are coming from the top down," veteran Matt Howard said. "The tactics that we use. The policies that the military engages will create situations, create dynamics, create, ultimately, atrocity."

IVAW hopes to have 100 veterans speak at the event. Once it ends, they'll document the testimony and package it for Congress.

IVAW says it expects a number of veterans from Fort Drum to be at the event and it is hoping to get more veterans to attend and speak at the event and will help pay for any active duty soldier who wants to go and listen. link
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 11:38 am
We have now suffered through two consecutive fraudulent national elections that installed a would-be king to the presidency— a man who calls the document on which The Great Idea of our republic is inscribed,“…just a goddamn piece of paper.”

And what is left of that " goddamn piece of paper” which, for over two centuries, was the glue that held our nation together and united us as a people?...

Habeas Corpus and the right to a fair trial … crossed out
Basic Principles of International Law… erased
Treaties… no longer the Supreme Law of the Land
War Crimes… no longer prosecuted, but sanctioned, funded, administered, and ignored
The Right to Privacy… removed
Cruel and Unusual Punishment… now business as usual by executive fiat
Free Speech… relocated to a free speech zone and on it's way out
Freedom of Religion… contorted beyond meaning and recognition
Freedom of the Press… diminished, corrupted, and self- or state- censored
Justice… guilty until proven innocent; while liars, cheats, and war criminals go free
The Rule of Law… applies to some but not to all
Separation of Powers… cancelled
Impeachment for High Crimes and Misdemeanors… off the table


All of this made possible by public servants and citizens too, who behave as if they never read a book, visited a museum, went to school, took an oath, or pledged allegiance. The ship of state is lost at sea, captained by a would-be king, and attended to by painted court
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 11:40 am
"The killing of innocent civilians is policy," veteran Mike Blake said. "It's unit policy and it's Army policy. It's not official policy, but it's what's happens on the ground everyday. It's what unit commanders individually encourage."

I notice bf seemed to skip right over that line.

If its not official policy, then those committing the crimes are liable to be prosecuted.

However, having served in Iraq myself, and knowing a lot of people still there, I find the whole premise that the brass is "encouraging" war crimes to be highly unlikely.

I think its more likely that some soldiers committed crimes, so they are blasming the army to cover their own asses.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 01:26 pm
mysteryman, it's simply the Bushie Doctrine.
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