Global Warming is a Hoax

hbg. The climate worldwide is warming , of that there is no doubt, Im only doubting , via additional evidence , that humans may not actually be the real cause, since the percentage effects of all our species carbon and Sulfur and Nitrogen spewing does not seem to have a really significant (or even measurable) effect.

The last major interglacial stage was not catastrophic but WAS life altering for species. Polar bears seemed to have made it alright, palm trees grew in Maine and Massachussetts (we have pollen analyses from interglacial peat deposits that are of the 116000 ybp times)

I know this is cj's post so I dont want to interfere with the spirit of healthy debate among people who obviously respect each other. I feel a lot of love in the room.

You two having fun stroking each other?

It's 14 effing degrees here (again) today.

The big lakes are WAY WAY DOWN.

cjhsa wrote:

The big lakes are WAY WAY DOWN.

It must be all the fish drinking the water. It couldn't possibly be something like global warming or climate change.

parados wrote:

cjhsa wrote:

The big lakes are WAY WAY DOWN.

It must be all the fish drinking the water. It couldn't possibly be something like global warming or climate change.

Neither. It's the farming demands combined with some political gamesmanship. A powerful state representative owns property on Lake Michigan. The lakes cycle up and down over a 15 year period. He didn't like the fact his cottage was about to fall in the lake, and fanagled a lowering of the lake level.

Ships carry less cargo to avoid running aground

Shallow lakes add caution, cost to commercial shippers


By Jeremy Pearce | The Detroit News

hoals and shallow waters along lake channels have become sobering obstacles for the huge ships that haul iron ore, coal, grain and other raw cargoes critical to the economies of two nations.

Great Lakes freighters are forced into "light-loading," carrying 5 percent to 8 percent less in goods to guarantee precise steering and enough buoyancy to avoid running aground.

Even with precautions, there are problems.

"Outside of Chicago this year, at Calumet Harbor, we couldn't pull into port," complained Capt. Gus Balanda, a ship's pilot who guides foreign vessels on Lakes Michigan, Huron and Superior. He has spent 46 years on the water.

"We had to partially unload outside the port, and then pull in," he said. "Do you have any idea how expensive that is?"

Lighter loads mean more trips, crew hours and fuel to carry the same amount of cargo, shippers say.

"When you light-load a 1,000-foot freighter, you can lose 5,520 tons and about $27,500 in revenue each trip, depending on the cargo," said John Greenwood, publisher of Greenwood's Guide to Great Lakes Shipping.

Greenwood's Guide is the standard source of statistics for the entire lakes shipping industry.

"That's one ship," he said. "The accumulated cost of low waters over the whole industry is finally going to be figured in the tens of millions of dollars."

Shipping industry claims are supported by federal records at the Sault Ste. Marie locks, which reflect a nearly 10-percent drop in cargo tonnage during the past year.

Iron for construction and Detroit's auto industry makes up the majority of cargo that moves on the lakes.

Ore is dug from mines west of Duluth and sent to foundries in Indiana and other southern ports. Iron-ore pellets, called taconite, made up 56 percent of all cargo entering the locks in 1998.

"We've grown used to high waters. Now we're eating the loss and there's not much we can do about it," said Stuart Theis, president of Oglebay Norton Co.'s marine services division in Cleveland.