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Mon 14 Jan, 2008 04:18 pm
Krugman comments on the candidates' views on the economy and, specifically, recession. Their views are quite scary.
Responding to Recession
By Paul Krugman
Published: January 14, 2008; New York Times
Suddenly, the economic consensus seems to be that the implosion of the housing market will indeed push the U.S. economy into a recession, and that it's quite possible that we're already in one. As a result, over the next few weeks we'll be hearing a lot about plans for economic stimulus.
Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here's a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates' characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy?
In fact, recent statements by the candidates and their surrogates about the economy are quite revealing.
Take, for example, John McCain's admission that economics isn't his thing. "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," he says. "I've got Greenspan's book."
His self-deprecating humor is attractive, as always. But shouldn't we worry about a candidate who's so out of touch that he regards Mr. Bubble, the man who refused to regulate subprime lending and assured us that there was at most some "froth" in the housing market, as a source of sage advice?
Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani wants us to go for broke, literally: his answer to the economy's short-run problems is a huge permanent tax cut, which he claims would pay for itself. It wouldn't.
About Mike Huckabee ?- well, what can you say about a candidate who talks populist while proposing to raise taxes on the middle class and cut them for the rich?
And then there's the curious case of Mitt Romney. I'm told that he actually does know a fair bit about economics, and he has some big-name Republican economists supporting his campaign. Fears of recession might have offered him a chance to distinguish himself from the G.O.P. field, by offering an economic proposal that actually responded to the gathering economic storm.
I mean, even the Bush administration seems to be coming around to the view that lobbying for long-term tax cuts isn't enough, that the economy needs some immediate help. "Time is of the essence," declared Henry Paulson, the Treasury secretary, last week.
But Mr. Romney, who really needs to take chances at this point, apparently can't break the habit of telling Republicans only what he thinks they want to hear. He's still offering nothing but standard-issue G.O.P. pablum about low taxes and a pro-business environment.
On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party's policy agenda. He's done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.
Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.
And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I'm sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that's a bad thing, but there's something to be said for presidents who know what they're talking about.
The Obama campaign's initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I'm sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama's top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from "morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending." Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure ?- doesn't that sound familiar?
Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.
For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama's supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.
In short, the stimulus debate offers a pretty good portrait of the men and woman who would be president. And I haven't said a word about their hairstyles.
There is only one candidate that talks about he economy constantly, In fact he has talked about the economy so much he has even apoligized for it at times, and that is Ron Paul. Why is he not mentioned.
And I'm a Democrat.
Ron Paul on the recession.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piUEmriwY3Q
One thing with Paul is that he is not going anywhere. It is amazing that his district continues to reelect him.
He has radical ideas that I think would severely damage the country. E.g., he favors a flat-tax that would intensify our plutocracy.
What do you find appealing about Paul?
((ebrown pulls up a chair to watch what should be a very interesting interchange))
ebrown_p wrote:((ebrown pulls up a chair to watch what should be a very interesting interchange))
Why don't you contribute something for a change. You usually limit yourself to personal attacks on other posters.
Advocate wrote:ebrown_p wrote:((ebrown pulls up a chair to watch what should be a very interesting interchange))
Why don't you contribute something for a change. You usually limit yourself to personal attacks on other posters.
In spite of the irony of your post... I think I will just watch this one for a while.
There was no irony. I presented a truism.
<<hums quietly to self... waiting for Amigo to come back>>
pulls up chair next to e brown.
Advocate wrote:One thing with Paul is that he is not going anywhere. It is amazing that his district continues to reelect him.
He has radical ideas that I think would severely damage the country. E.g., he favors a flat-tax that would intensify our plutocracy.
What do you find appealing about Paul?
How much more of a plutocracy can we have?
None of Ron Pauls ideas can be defined as radical (that I know of). The Status quo is radical.
Ron Pauls ideas are reactionary and conservative. They are the same ideas the country was founded on. We have become so used to these radical status quo practices of the plutocracy that we believe and have been told that a return to the conservative ideas is "radical".
Fox news tried to ban Ron Paul from the republican debate. Isn't Ruppert Murdoch part of this Plutocracy?
And isn't it radical for A media monopoly man to be so closely tied in with our government?
What appeals to me about Ron Paul is The issues he is able to put into national presidential debate on T.V. forcing a dialogue on things the powers that be would rather be (re)introduced to the American public. But these ideas are growing in the minds of an increasing amount of Americans from all parties, all races and all ideologies.
The very same radical ideas we had in 1876 in Philidelphia. The Plutocracy thought they were pretty radical then to.
requests sofa next to e brown.
hey watch the spurs slim.
Great, I am surrounded by mindless lurkers.
Amigo, how would Paul take us out of the recession?
Isnt Ron Paul that loudmouthed tranny who used to be on the Howard Stern show?
farmerman wrote:Isnt Ron Paul that loudmouthed tranny who used to be on the Howard Stern show?
That's Ru Paul.
Ron Paul is the one that published loud mouthed racist tracts and now denies he wrote or was aware of their content.
Everyone was aware of the content of Ru Paul.
Didn't Ron Paul propose we eliminate the Federal Reserve?
That would stop swings in the market in anticipation of Fed Reserve rate cuts.
Homophobic tracts, too.
Published for many years over his name. There was a good quote, lemme see if I can find it. Here we go:
Quote:Paul says he didn't write the letters, that he denounces the words that appeared in them, that he was unaware for decades of what 100,000 people were receiving every month from him. That's an odd claim on which to run for president: I didn't know what my closest associates were doing over my signature, so give me responsibility for the federal government.
But then the next paragraph makes a good point, too:
Quote:But of course Ron Paul isn't running for president. He's not going to be president, he's not going to be the Republican nominee for president, and he never hoped to be. He got into the race to advance ideas?-the ideas of peace, constitutional government, and freedom. Succeeding beyond his wildest dreams, he became the most visible so-called "libertarian" in America. And now he and his associates have slimed the noble cause of liberty and limited government.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/11/ron-pauls-ugly-newsletters/
It is really something when Cato slimes a Republican candidate.
But the truth is that Paul demolishes the nutitude test, qualifying him as a Republican president.