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flaja
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 05:27 pm
woiyo wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Oh, i certainly agree that this is an idiotic thread.

My point is that the constitution does not specify a violation of any statute as a grounds for impeachment. One could make the case that violation of a law might be evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors, but the basis upon which the House would impeach any public official need not be a violation of law.


This is true. That is why a President was impeached for lying about a blow job/sex or what the meaning of "is", is.

Therefore, I would suspect a Congress could have a field day if a President told the public "DO NOT PAY YOUR TAXES", which is a clear violation of the law.


Lying before a federal grand jury, which Clinton did, is against statutory law.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 07:24 pm
flaja wrote:
parados wrote:
2 people does NOT constitute MOST taxpayers


http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2002/April/02_tax_212.htm

"people do go to prison for tax evasion"

Yes, people do go to prison for tax evasion however MOST people that fail to pay their taxes in a timely fashion do NOT go to prison. Most are assessed penalties and interest and pay up or make a deal.
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Otherwise the minute he leaves office it's a whole new ball game.
Unless a court has dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice it can be refiled.


You are assuming that the government would never run out of money as a consequence of this tax protest.
The government won't run out of money or the ability to borrow in a 4 year time frame. You only need to look at the Bush tax cuts to see how it doesn't matter if the government runs a deficit.
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The way it does now, by borrowing.


The tax protest would have to be brought to an end somehow or the government would never have money to pay back what it borrows. Its credit would go to zero and no one in their right mind would loan money to it.
The tax protest is brought to end when the idiot president you said would do this is run out of office by impeachment or an election in less than 4 years of when the idiot you proposed does his idiot thing. At that point the new president says he will not pardon anyone that continues the protest.

If a president did such an idiotic thing it would be easy to defeat with a publicity campiagn. "Patriots pay their taxes. Either pay yours or be known as a traitor to this country." Any president that was willing to sacrifice the future of this country by telling its citizens to bankrupt the government would NOT be in office for more than 4 years.
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flaja
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 08:26 pm
parados wrote:
The government won't run out of money or the ability to borrow in a 4 year time frame.


Typical liberal. You cannot fathom a world in which the government cannot tax and spend to your heart's content.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 08:34 pm
flaja wrote:
parados wrote:
The government won't run out of money or the ability to borrow in a 4 year time frame.


Typical liberal. You cannot fathom a world in which the government cannot tax and spend to your heart's content.


Goodness knows, you aren't typical anything.

Autism that keeps someone isolated from the world but yet allows that person to turn on the computer certainly isn't typical at all.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 06:49 am
flaja wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Setanta wrote:
The only definition of impeachable offenses is treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors--try reading the constitution some time, it doesn't specify the violation of laws.

Article Two, Section 4, Disqualification, reads, in its entirety:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

What a maroon.


I am not sure but I would think that if a President was to tell the citizenry to break the law, that just might qualify as a "high crime and/or misdemeanor" which would be an impeachable offense in the eyes of the Congress.

But then again, this is a silly post. Rolling Eyes


If John F. Kennedy had told black people that he would pardon any one of them that used a water fountain in Washington, D.C. that were legally reserved for white people, would he have been breaking the law?


Of course not. Yet, the above example is quite different from your initial post.

Try to be consistant.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:02 am
flaja wrote:
parados wrote:
The government won't run out of money or the ability to borrow in a 4 year time frame.


Typical liberal. You cannot fathom a world in which the government cannot tax and spend to your heart's content.


This is ironically hilarious, or would be, if it weren't also so tragic; the Republican regime which was in power until the last mid-term election spent money--and so much of it on pork--as though there were no tomorrow. From the surpluses which had been generated up until early 2001, those conservative clowns dug us into a hole such as the Federal government has never known. Of course, it's easy to be a hypocrite, sneer about tax-and-spend liberals while conservatives just write trillions of dollars worth of bad checks, and leave their grandchildren to pay the bill.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:11 am
Even Jesus told people they had to pay their taxes.
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flaja
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:22 am
woiyo wrote:
Of course not. Yet, the above example is quite different from your initial post.

Try to be consistant.


It is exactly the same. The president would be telling people to break the law for the purposes of protesting an unjust law.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:25 am
flaja wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Of course not. Yet, the above example is quite different from your initial post.

Try to be consistant.


It is exactly the same. The president would be telling people to break the law for the purposes of protesting an unjust law.


OK...Whatever... Rolling Eyes
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:25 am
Just curious flaja,

For whom will you be voting in the primary?
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flaja
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:46 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Just curious flaja,

For whom will you be voting in the primary?


Florida has closed primaries. I am registered to vote with no party affiliation, thus I won't be voting in Florida's primary.
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