exposed genitalia and death

Re: exposed genitalia and death

Chumly wrote:

I suggest it's a fair argument to make that the level of overall censorship (or lack thereof)
of a given subject matter, is a reasonable barometer by which to judge society's acceptance
(or lack thereof) of said given subject matter.

As such, irrelative of protestations to the contrary, graphically showing killing
is more socially acceptable than graphically showing adults having consensual sex in North America.

I 'm trying to think of an instance of real killing on TV.
Maybe there was, but I cant remember any;
maybe when Saddam got hanged ?

In any case,
I do not believe in censorship
under any circumstances that I can think of,
except only military secrecy, wherein its literally a matter of life n death.

David

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Debbie Does Dallas?

Hey, Bunny. You gonna take that from these guys?

(And, to think I came in here imagining someone died from penile frostbite.!)

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That must HURT !

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Hopalong Capacity

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squinney wrote:

Debbie Does Dallas?

Hey, Bunny. You gonna take that from these guys?

(And, to think I came in here imagining someone died from penile frostbite.!)

Debbie Does Dallas was mildly amusing for the first year people said it to me....and mildly irksome for the following 25 years.

Now it does not register on the Wabbit Wadar.

Anyhoo, nobody calls me Debbie....and lives.

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Chumly wrote:

If you had a hutch full of 6 year old kids, and had to choose which would you show them:
Debbie Does Dallas (1978) or The Terminator (1984),
which would it be and why?

I do not remember ever entertaining 6 year olds,
nor do I have that in my plans,
but, as a point of information,
if some 6 year olds saw the movie,
or if thay accidentally saw people fully involved in sexual embrace,
specifically WHAT is the danger to be feared ?

In other words,
exactly HOW are thay in danger of being adversely affected ?

Wud something negative happen to their brains ?
If so: what is it, in particular ?

Specify ?

Are both sexes of 6 year olds equally in danger ?

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OmSigDAVID- I think that there are some things that little chilldren are unable to absorb appropriately. I think that seeing adult sexual activity is one of those things. It is something that I believe that their immature minds are not yet capable of understanding. At that stage of life, the sight of two adults having sex might very well be traumatic to them.

I belived that torture and killing is not appropriate for kids either.

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Kylie awoke early one morning and opened the door to our master bedroom where Bear and I were catching an early morning romp.

"I thought I saw somenody's bottom going up and down," she said wide eyed with her thumb in her mouth and blankie clutched.

"Oh, we were just playing. Good morning, hon."

Not nearly as traumatic as when we saw a turtle in the road, turned around to move him only to see him splattered by a school bus.

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squinney wrote:

Kylie awoke early one morning and opened the door to our master bedroom where Bear and I were catching an early morning romp.

"I thought I saw somenody's bottom going up and down," she said wide eyed with her thumb in her mouth and blankie clutched.

"Oh, we were just playing. Good morning, hon."

Not nearly as traumatic as when we saw a turtle in the road, turned around to move him only to see him splattered by a school bus.

The odd glimpse of a moving bum between loving parents is very different from little kids seeing porn.

They shouldn't be seeing The Terminator, either.

Little kids aren't developmentally ready to deal with mindless violence or sex, and both can cause them to be very distressed and traumatised...including nightmares, extreme anxiety, flashbacks, intense shame, fear about the meaning of what they have seen in relation to the adults in their life upon whom they are dependent, and about adult life in general, and acting out of what they have seen.

What appears to be being proposed by Omsig is that porn will have no negative effect on kids. I have no idea what his view on violence is.

Both have negative effects on little kids. Doh.

The degree of negative impact will depend upon how the kid is doing generally, what their life is like generally, and how able the adults in their life are to provide them with emotional support.

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Full on sexual intercourse (even between loving parents) could look like quite a violent act to a child.
Like many parents have been we were "caught in the act". my sons comment was "You frightened me". I dont remeMber specifically what explanation we gave.
I imagine a child could misinterpret and believe that sex was/is a violent act and carry this attitude through to adulthood.

We had chickens when my daughter was young one of the roosters (named William) attacked her (as roosters are wont to do) and we decided we no longer required a rooster. My daughter watched as I cut the head off and participated in gutting and plucking the feathers.

When the bird was on the table she commented that "William tasted good"
No revenge or trauma issues here.

I believe that Omsigdavid should recognize his maladjustment and socially unacceptable attitude where children, violence and sexuality are concerned and seek treatment and/or counseling.

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He does tend to bring down a thread doesn't he.. Confused

I was just having this thought a few days ago while making a movie choice for Jillian.
We usually limit her to one new movie a week, but she is allowed to watch it every day if she wants , before she goes to bed.

I thought that the Simpson's would be a funny movie for her until I got in the car.
The simpsons show the father slapping, beating, and berating the son... and it is supposed to be funny. So I took it back in and I got something different.. I don't remember what.
I also picked up a movie for me.
She ended up, as usual, watching my movie and not hers.

I dont tend to like violent movies, but you really cant avoid some degree of blood/shooting/fighting etc with out being limited to Disney movies..

And, it never crossed my mind to cover Jillian's eyes, or just wait until she is asleep to watch certain adult movies.
But it did bother me to show her an animated movie with hitting, screaming, and insulting..

Talk about double standard eh..

I have never thought about hiding sexual activity on a show either.
But then again.. as I said before, I don't pick a lot of extreme movies to watch as it is..

No excuse..

I just found it odd of myself that animated violence was crossing the line for my little girl, but 'realistic' violence... well.. I have not really bllinked an eye until now..

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It has been decades, but years ago, Parent's Magazine used to have reviews that addressed the appropriateness of films for children of different ages. Wonder if they still have that???

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I know a woman in her late 60's who is still traumatized by the Wizard of Oz (the witch) so I think it depends on the kid.

In any case, just talking about things and kids having the freedom to ask parents what's going on is key. Most fears are from the unknown, anyway.

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Chumly wrote:

SULLYFISH66 wrote:
I agree; why the choice between two equally provocative activities?

(Oh yea, I forgot Chumly gets off on being provocative)
False, it's classical rhetoric to illuminate my initial post. However if you wish to maintain your dubious notions, who am I to temper your misconceptions.

I was going to suggest that a better rhetorical question might have been.

Which would you rather have a 6 year old walk in on.
You having sex with your wife or you killing your wife?

After reading the rest of the thread I guess the answer would be the later.

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Well, if he were to walk in on carnal embrace, there would be no need to dispose of the little witness...

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I think even small children can differentiate between animated or caricatured violence. Ie roadrunner Vs coyote and The Simpsons.

I think it is more difficult for children to separate the fiction of "normal movies TV from reality. Hell, some adults can't.

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I agree.

And I might be one of those who has the issue of mental seperation of the two.

I mean.. sheesh.. Im offended by animated violence, and it gets more of a conscience decision from me then normal violence when it comes to Jillian's viewing..

Im a product of american television

God help me.

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patiodog wrote:

Well, if he were to walk in on carnal embrace, there would be no need to dispose of the little witness...

But if you dispose of the little witness you could rest easy knowing he isn't scarred for life.

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squinney wrote:

Kylie awoke early one morning and opened the door to our master bedroom
where Bear and I were catching an early morning romp.

"I thought I saw somenody's bottom going up and down," she said wide eyed
with her thumb in her mouth and blankie clutched.

"Oh, we were just playing. Good morning, hon."

To me, that sounds like a good,
common sense way to handle the situation.

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Not nearly as traumatic as when we saw a turtle in the road,
turned around to move him only to see him splattered by a school bus.

I had a similar situation happen about 4 or 5 summers ago,
while driving in rural country in Upstate NY,
but I was luckier; so was the turtle.

It was around dusk. I was driving fairly slowly, alone on the road,
when I saw a large turtle with a very long neck,
standing on the double yellow lines between northbound and southbound lanes.
He was in a precarious position, so I turned around and came back.
His shell was about 14 inches from front to back,
and his neck was about 10 inches long;
( I suspect that one of his ancestors was a brontosaur, or an apatosaurus ).
I lifted him up by the rear of his shell, out-of-reach of his mouth,
anticipating that he wud try to bite me; ( I was right ).
I carried him across the road, and laid him in a wet irrigation ditch by a cornfield.
David

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

OmSigDAVID- I think that there are some things
that little chilldren are unable to absorb appropriately.
I think that seeing adult sexual activity is one of those things.
It is something that I believe that their immature minds are not yet capable of understanding.
At that stage of life, the sight of two adults having sex might very well be traumatic to them.

It might be possible that u r correct.

I was hoping to elicit opinions of exactly WHAT
the negative effects are; e.g., it is dangerous for kids ( or anyone )
to climb trees, the risk being broken bones from falling.
With all respect,
saying " absorb appropriately " is pretty vague n general; not very INDICATIVE.

Respectfully,
immature minds might not yet be capable of understanding
electrical engineering, nor the inconsistencies between Quantum Mechanics
and Relativity Theory, but those bodies of knowledge probably do not
represent a hazard to the children.

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I belived that torture and killing is not appropriate for kids either.

So stipulated.
David

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