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Why can Parados not answer this question:

 
 
flaja
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2007 02:47 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
flaja wrote:
So the answer to your question is effectively no. Tax cuts do not lead to lower government tax revenue.

But I didn't ask whether tax cuts led to lower revenues. I simply asked if tax revenues went down after the Reagan and Bush tax cuts.


Tax revenue did not go down because of tax cuts for either Reagan or Bush. Tax revenue went down immediately after Congress approved these tax cuts but the tax cuts did not take total immediate effect when they were approved. In both cases tax revenue went down due to economic recession and in both cases tax revenue went up once the tax cuts were in operation. All else being equal tax cuts never lead to a loss of tax revenue.
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flaja
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2007 04:44 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
Look, I'll make it extremely simple for you. Using the figures from the Heritage Foundation chart that I linked above, here are the federal tax revenue figures for 1981-1984 (in billions of constant 1996 dollars):
    1981: 1004.6 1982: 967.4 1983: 898.6 1984: 950.4
Now, are the numbers for 1982-84 less or more than the number for 1981?


In this thread you have demonstrated your folly in my thread regarding a model bachelor's degree history curriculum when you concluded that most historians need not have a formal class in either historical statistics or critical thinking/logic. By introducing the topic of inflation you have introduced information that does not pertain to the issue in this thread. The government doesn't implement tax policy based on what the revenue collected now will be worth decades in the future. Contemporary taxes are always collected in contemporary dollars. Inflation has no effect on tax revenue that has been collected in the past. Since we are not discussing the economic value, i.e., the purchasing power, of 1980s tax money, only the quantity of money collected, whether or not the value of 1980s tax money has changed in the decades since, is of no consequence in this discussion. You are trying to win an argument using statistics when statistics do not apply to the issue at hand.
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2007 04:53 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
Did tax revenues go down after the Reagan and Bush tax cuts?


flaja wrote:
Tax revenue did not go down because of tax cuts for either Reagan or Bush.



To me, this doesn't look like an answer to the question.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2007 07:20 pm
old europe wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
Did tax revenues go down after the Reagan and Bush tax cuts?


flaja wrote:
Tax revenue did not go down because of tax cuts for either Reagan or Bush.



To me, this doesn't look like an answer to the question.

It doesn't look like it to me either.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2007 07:23 pm
flaja wrote:
By introducing the topic of inflation you have introduced information that does not pertain to the issue in this thread.

I haven't introduced the topic of inflation. I never even mentioned it. The Heritage Foundation's chart uses constant dollars, but that's done in order to control for inflation. In other words, using constant dollars eliminates the effects of inflation.

flaja wrote:
You are trying to win an argument using statistics when statistics do not apply to the issue at hand.

I'm not trying to win any argument. I'm trying to get you to answer a simple question. Why is that so hard for you?
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 29 Dec, 2007 10:11 am
flaja wrote:
parados wrote:
It seems parados prefers to answer a couple of some twit's points, get a good nights sleep, spend some time with his wife, walk his dog, check out a post by gustavratzenhofer, and go do some work as opposed to answering all the questions in what some twit thinks is a timely manner.



Yes gus, this does mean you are a step above a twit in my estimation.


While showing a liberal's insulting attitude and general inability to put his money where his mouth is by discussing specifics. If you believe taxes are so great, tell us how much you are willing to pay.

I see.. a liberal has the audacity to call a twit a twit makes for an "insulting attitude." But there is nothing insulting about claiming someone can't answer a question when you don't give them time to do so.

At this point I would like to say that I answered flaja's question on another thread over an hour ago. It seems I can now ask without being insulting.

Why can't flaja respond to my answer?
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