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The 82nd Rainforest Thread ~

 
 
danon5
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 02:07 pm
@ehBeth,
Stradee, that's very interesting - the Christians have a similar day, except they can eat something - it's called Sunday, and there are 52 of them each year.....Grin

ehBeth, thanks as always for the stats = 66.961 acres.

aw kweeked today.
alex240101
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 02:39 pm
Grilling burgers tonight. Lost the battle of the fries. Me-fried in oil. Her-baked. Next time. Hope all is well with everybody. ehBeth. Feeling better hopefully.
Until tomorrow.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 08:43 pm
@danon5,
I thought so too, Dan.

New generation of christians/jews/muslems/ you name it...they're all viewing their religions on a more personal level rather than following tradition or church dogma.

For me, giving up Lent and Confession wasn't difficult. {grin}

Discussion on NPR regarding religious beliefs and how some people studied and attended other denominations, gaining spirituality during the process, and then returning to their original church faith. Interesting

Hi Alex

Beth, hope the couds gone. Smile



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Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 11:28 am

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45095000/jpg/_45095061_rainforest226ap.jpg

Nature loss 'dwarfs bank crisis'
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website, Barcelona



Losses are great, and continuous, says the report
The global economy is losing more money from the disappearance of forests than through the current banking crisis, according to an EU-commissioned study.

It puts the annual cost of forest loss at between $2 trillion and $5 trillion.

The figure comes from adding the value of the various services that forests perform, such as providing clean water and absorbing carbon dioxide.

The study, headed by a Deutsche Bank economist, parallels the Stern Review into the economics of climate change.

It has been discussed during many sessions here at the World Conservation Congress.

Some conservationists see it as a new way of persuading policymakers to fund nature protection rather than allowing the decline in ecosystems and species, highlighted in the release on Monday of the Red List of Threatened Species, to continue.

Capital losses

Speaking to BBC News on the fringes of the congress, study leader Pavan Sukhdev emphasised that the cost of natural decline dwarfs losses on the financial markets.

"It's not only greater but it's also continuous, it's been happening every year, year after year," he told BBC News.

Teeb will... show the risks we run by not valuing [nature] adequately."

Andrew Mitchell
Global Canopy Programme

"So whereas Wall Street by various calculations has to date lost, within the financial sector, $1-$1.5 trillion, the reality is that at today's rate we are losing natural capital at least between $2-$5 trillion every year."

The review that Mr Sukhdev leads, The Economics of Ecosystems and Biodiversity (Teeb), was initiated by Germany under its recent EU presidency, with the European Commission providing funding.

The first phase concluded in May when the team released its finding that forest decline could be costing about 7% of global GDP. The second phase will expand the scope to other natural systems.

Stern message

Key to understanding his conclusions is that as forests decline, nature stops providing services which it used to provide essentially for free.

So the human economy either has to provide them instead, perhaps through building reservoirs, building facilities to sequester carbon dioxide, or farming foods that were once naturally available.

Or we have to do without them; either way, there is a financial cost.

The Teeb calculations show that the cost falls disproportionately on the poor, because a greater part of their livelihood depends directly on the forest, especially in tropical regions.

The greatest cost to western nations would initially come through losing a natural absorber of the most important greenhouse gas.

Just as the Stern Review brought the economics of climate change into the political arena and helped politicians see the consequences of their policy choices, many in the conservation community believe the Teeb review will lay open the economic consequences of halting or not halting the slide in biodiversity.

"The numbers in the Stern Review enabled politicians to wake up to reality," said Andrew Mitchell, director of the Global Canopy Programme, an organisation concerned with directing financial resources into forest preservation.

"Teeb will do the same for the value of nature, and show the risks we run by not valuing it adequately."

A number of nations, businesses and global organisations are beginning to direct funds into forest conservation, and there are signs of a trade in natural ecosystems developing, analogous to the carbon trade, although it is clearly very early days.

Some have ethical concerns over the valuing of nature purely in terms of the services it provides humanity; but the counter-argument is that decades of trying to halt biodiversity decline by arguing for the intrinsic worth of nature have not worked, so something different must be tried.

Whether Mr Sukhdev's arguments will find political traction in an era of financial constraint is an open question, even though many of the governments that would presumably be called on to fund forest protection are the ones directly or indirectly paying for the review.

But, he said, governments and businesses are getting the point.

"Times have changed. Almost three years ago, even two years ago, their eyes would glaze over.

"Today, when I say this, they listen. In fact I get questions asked - so how do you calculate this, how can we monetize it, what can we do about it, why don't you speak with so and so politician or such and such business."

The aim is to complete the Teeb review by the middle of 2010, the date by which governments are committed under the Convention of Biological Diversity to have begun slowing the rate of biodiversity loss.



http://rainforest.care2.com/i?p=583091674



ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 05:21 pm
@Stradee,
You and your 300 friends have supported 2,916,930.2 square feet!

Marine Wetlands habitat supported: 217,038.5 square feet.

American Prairie habitat supported: 68,308.2 square feet.

Rainforest habitat supported: 2,631,583.5 square feet.

~~~

just took two extra-strength night time cold relief tabs, and a Sucrets cough control tab

not sure if the coud in by node is gone, but I think I may have misplaced my brain
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 05:25 pm
@ehBeth,
http://dingo.care2.com/photos/2/2065a.gif
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 06:06 pm
@ehBeth,
aww, stay warm and cozy for Thanksgiving, Beth.

oh, not to worry. misplaced my brains eons ago and can't recall where the heck i put um'... must've been during the last move. {grin}

Sending Bear Paws, warm socks, and snuggy blanket...
danon5
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 10:55 pm
@Stradee,
Brain?? What's that?? Where is it?? And, what's it do??

I agree with Stradee, ehBeth....... Stay warm and cozy - and come back to us with all your usual verve. We all love you.

Kreaked today.
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alex240101
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 07:14 am
A brilliant Sunday morning here in Michigan. Beauitul fall colors. It is suppose to reach seventy eight degrees today. The begonias are confused.
Clicked.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 10:05 am
Cool and windy today

Leaf pods for the Jasmine, begoinia's sprouting lovely small flowers, and tree leafs colors changing to gold, orange, and brown.

Weather guy said low 80's monday, tues, and wed.

Enjoy your day, Wildclickers


http://rainforest.care2.com/i?p=583091674

danon5
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 02:36 pm
@Stradee,
Stradee, lent is mostly off set by the day before - Fat Tuesday. Funny to me - Grin....I bet ya there are cheaters too.....Nuther Grin

Nice article about the cost of the Rain Forest. We human animals are killing ourselves wholesale - and the rest of the earth also.

ehBeth, before the earth crumbles, keep warm and cozy and get well. Thinking of you daily.

Hi Alex and all the Wildclickers who don't say much.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 04:24 pm
@danon5,
You and your 300 friends have supported 2,917,086.9 square feet!

Marine Wetlands habitat supported: 217,060.7 square feet.

American Prairie habitat supported: 68,331.6 square feet.

Rainforest habitat supported: 2,631,694.6 square feet.

~~~

Hooray - mrs hamburger's home from the hospital following hip replacement surgery last week. Definitely something to be thankful for!
alex240101
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 04:29 pm
@ehBeth,
Hip, hip, hurray.

(couldn't resist. )
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2008 07:27 pm
@alex240101,
Laughing


(has anyone ever noticed that alex can be mmmmmm silly?)
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Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 11:00 am
@danon5,
I dunno bout 'fat tuesday' LOL - Lent though was a trip. No cheating from this Catholic girl - brussel sprouts the abstenance of choice. grin

Speaking of "deciding" - humans can 'lent' greed if they choose. forever

Yaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy, Mrs Hamburgers home! New hip, the lady will be running the 4/40 soon. Very Happy

Alex, LOL

http://rainforest.care2.com/i?p=583091674






danon5
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:47 pm
@Stradee,
Great news re Mrs H, ehBeth.....

Hope you are feeling better. I'm told there are two sure cures for a cold - One week and Seven days.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 01:56 pm
@danon5,
Hi keeedz. Looks like the one week/seven days prescription is working for me Very Happy

Did I already click today? hmmmmm mebbe those little cough/cold pills are working.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 03:10 pm
@ehBeth,
<yawn>

<stretch>

You and your 300 friends have supported 2,917,160.9 square feet!

Marine Wetlands habitat supported: 217,075.5 square feet.

American Prairie habitat supported: 68,331.6 square feet.

Rainforest habitat supported: 2,631,753.8 square feet.
alex240101
 
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Reply Mon 13 Oct, 2008 03:58 pm
@ehBeth,
Clicked. Monday. Need to find some dinner. Everybody have a good evening.
danon5
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:51 pm
@alex240101,
All clicked for today - another tree a smilin.........
 

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