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Elections Are A Scam

 
 
Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 01:12 pm
As in every election we're now being bombarded with propaganda about how "your vote makes a difference" and associated nonsense. According to the official version ordinary citizens control the state by voting for candidates in elections. The President and other politicians are supposedly servants of "the people" and the government an instrument of the general populace. This version is a myth. It does not matter who is elected because the way the system is set up all elected representatives must do what big business and the state bureaucracy want, not what "the people" want. Elected representatives are figureheads. Politicians' rhetoric may change depending on who is elected, but they all have to implement the same policies given the same situation. Elections are a scam whose function is to create the illusion that "the people" control the government, not the elite, and to neutralize resistance movements. All voting does is strengthen the state & ruling class, it is not an effective means to change government policy.

If a party wins the elections but implements policies that go against the interests of big business then profits will go down and businesses & investors will withdraw their investments. This capital flight will cause the economy to crash. If the ruling party does not change its policies to appease big business then they'll lose the next elections due to the bad economy. In practice most parties change their policies to appease the corporate elite in order to avoid losing power.

This is not merely theoretical, it has happened repeatedly. It happened in India a few months ago. The left, lead by the Congress party, won the elections, leading to a coalition government with the Congress party and the Communist party. This caused the stock market to crash because investors feared a change in economic policy that would hurt their profits. Sonia Ghandi, who was originally going to be the next Prime Minister, chose not to take the position and the new government was forced to adopt policies virtually identical to the previous government. Their rhetoric is different, but policy is basically the same."

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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 01:28 pm
I thought you said Electricians are a scam.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 01:33 pm
No.
There was no typing mistake i
I beg you to read the rest of the text .
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 01:41 pm
http://chris-floyd.com/

Democratic Process: Another Day, Another Capitulation



Written by Chris Floyd
Friday, 14 December 2007
Industry Flexes Muscle, Weaker Energy Bill Passes (NYT)

The Democratic "opposition" in Congress - you know, the party that represents the common people, good working folk and the most vulnerable in our society: the sick, the old, the poor, the children - have just effected yet another capitulation to Money Power, gutting an energy bill that would have required Big Oil - now reaping the most gargantuan profit margins in the entire history of human enterprise - to pay a pittance in new taxes. The original bill would have also required utility companies to eventually produce a whopping 15 percent of their electricity from renewable energy sources.

These measures - displeasing to the boardroom lords and their viceroy in the White House - were dutifully stripped out by Senate Majority Leader Harry "Shaky Knees" Reid. So what happens now? Why, more capitulation, of course:
The bill now returns to the House, where Speaker Nancy Pelosi predicted that it would pass overwhelmingly early next week. A White House spokesman said President Bush was pleased that the bill was "moving in the right direction" and that he would sign it when it reached his desk.

"President Bush was pleased." Well, that's really the most important thing, isn't it? That the Leader be kept in happy countenance, so that he can care for us with free and untroubled mind.

A hardened cynic might say that the original bill was just a feint all along - the usual shuck-and-jive for the Democratic base, offered up in the sure knowledge that it would be disemboweled in good time at the behest of the nation's true managers. A lesser cynic in a charitable mood ('tis the season, after all) could aver that the Democrats might actually pass a windfall profits tax on Big Oil and a few mild measures on renewable energy - as long as no one said "Boo!" to them. I must say that I incline to the former view myself, but I suppose the latter is not entirely outside the realm of possibility. But in the end, it doesn't matter; someone is always going to say "boo" to any attempt - however anemic - to ameliorate the ravages of the Money Power in even the slightest way. And these Democrats, whether by design or from cowardice and corruption - or both - will always jump out of their skins and scurry to do the boss-man's bidding.

(For more on this theme, see "Cave Dwellers: More Democratic Deceit on War and Torture." And for more on the might of Money Power, see yesterday's post, "Central Bank Socialism and America's True Values.")
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 04:08 pm
Here is the rest text from the link

------------------------Usually the mere threat of capital flight is enough to keep potentially recalcitrant politicians in line (although most politicians never even consider policies that conflict with the corporate elite/state bureaucracy). For example, Bill Clinton won election on a mildly liberal reformist platform. Once in office he was forced to abandon his campaign promises because if he continued them the bond market wouldn't react well and the economy would go down the tubes. Clinton's famous statement to his advisers upon realizing this was, "You mean to tell me that the success of my program and my reelection hinges on the Federal Reserve and a bunch of ******* bond traders?" He was thus forced to abandon his program before it even started, instead implementing one virtually identical to Republican proposals. He complained to his aides:

"I hope you're all aware we're all Eisenhower Republicans. We're Eisenhower Republicans here, and we are fighting the Reagan Republicans. We stand for lower deficits and free trade and the bond market. Isn't that great?"

In theory the government might be able to combat this by nationalizing industry but neither the Democrats nor Republicans (or most prominent third parties) are willing to do this. Even if they were, the Supreme Court would strike it down. If some way were found to get around this then the CIA and/or Pentagon would overthrow the government in a coup (or through less dramatic means). The CIA has overthrown many governments for nationalizing industry, or even just implementing policies not sufficiently favorable to US corporations, including Chile, Iran, Guatemala, Brazil, Greece, the Congo and many others. Doing the same on their home turf would be a piece of cake.

Once elected representatives are isolated from the general public but surrounded by bureaucrats and other politicians. They therefore have a tendency to see things from the perspective of politicians and bureaucrats, rather than from the perspective of the general public from which they are isolated, and are much more susceptible to pressure from government bureaucracies.

Elected representatives' dependency on the state bureaucracy for information makes them very susceptible to manipulation by the bureaucracies they are officially in charge of. For example, in the late ?'50s the CIA secured approval to launch an uprising in Indonesia by feeding a series of increasingly alarmist reports to their superiors in the National Security Council, who otherwise might have shot the proposed uprising down. This shows how government agencies (especially secretive ones) can pressure politicians and influence policy in preferred directions. This is enhanced by the fact that individual politicians come and go but the bureaucrats are permanent, which makes it easier for bureaucrats to manipulate information and ensures that politicians have less experience with such manipulation. Because the state bureaucracy is permanent while politicians are transitory state bureaucracies tend to accrue more power than elected representatives.

State bureaucracies can also manipulate the political process by leaking damaging information about politicians they don't like or by harassing parties or movements they don't like (such as COINTELPRO or the recent harassment of anti-war activists by the FBI). This gives an advantage to politicians favorable to the interests of the state bureaucracy.

State bureaucracies, especially the military and intelligence services, have a considerable degree of autonomy from elected representatives and so aren't truly controlled by those representatives. When New Zealand intelligence began secretly participating in Echelon, an international electronic spying system, New Zealand's Prime Minister didn't even know about it. Most of the CIA's covert actions (including coups) were done without Congressional approval and some, like CIA participation in Ghana's 1966 coup, didn't even have Presidential approval. Entire wars have been fought in secret, including Russia 1918-1920, Laos 1965-1973 and Cambodia 1970-1975. When Congress cut off funding for the Contras (US-backed terrorists in Nicaragua) in the mid-80s the CIA (and other parts of the state bureaucracy) just kept doing it in secret, disregarding Congress's wishes.

The Pentagon can't even produce auditable books and regularly "loses" billions of dollars every year. Auditors for the Office of Management and Budget found that "unsubstantiated balance adjustments" for financial year 2000 totaled 1.1 trillion dollars. In other words, elected politicians (and especially congress) have no real control over Pentagon spending. The whole process of Congressional hearings and budgetary oversight is just an elaborate charade - they appropriate money and the Pentagon spends it however it wants to. Plus there's the "black budget" whose contents are kept secret, allowing the national security establishment to effectively do whatever they want with it.

All of this puts many state bureaucracies (especially the military and intelligence services) beyond effective control of elected representatives, let alone the general public. Their secrecy, manipulation of budgets and complexity (there are too many bureaucrats for representatives to effectively keep track of them all) gives government bureaucracies a considerable degree of autonomy. They go off and do whatever they want, either keeping things secret from elected politicians or pressuring them into going along with it.

What a politician says to win an election and what he actually does in office are two very different things; politicians regularly break their promises. This is not just a fluke but the outcome of the way the system is set up. Bush the second said he wouldn't engage in "nation-building" (taking other countries over) during the 2000 election campaign but has done it several times. He also claimed to support a balanced budget, but obviously abandoned that. Clinton advocated universal health care during the 1992 election campaign but there were more people without health insurance when he left office than when he took office. Bush the first said, "read my lips - no new taxes!" while running for office but raised taxes anyway. Reagan promised to shrink government but he drastically expanded the military-industrial complex and ran up huge deficits. Rather than shrinking government, he reoriented it to make it more favorable to the rich.

Carter promised to make human rights the "soul of our foreign policy" but funded genocide in East Timor and backed brutal dictators in Argentina, South Korea, Chile, Brazil, Indonesia and elsewhere. During the 1964 elections leftists were encouraged by Democrats to vote for Johnson because Goldwater, his Republican opponent, was a fanatical warmonger who would escalate US involvement in Vietnam. Johnson won, and immediately proceeded to escalate US involvement in Vietnam. FDR promised to maintain a balanced budget and restrain government spending but did the exact opposite. Wilson won reelection in 1916 on the slogan "he kept us out of war" but then lied us into World War One. Hoover pledged to abolish poverty in 1928 but instead saw it skyrocket.

In the 1974 Canadian elections the Liberals criticized Tory plans to introduce wage and price controls but, shortly after winning office, implemented wage and price controls. In 1993 the Liberals promised to abolish the Goods and Service Tax but reneged on that after getting power. The British Liberal party promised to cut military spending during the 1906 elections but, after winning, went back on that promise in order to wage an arms race with Germany. In 1945 the British Labor party promised to set up a ministry of housing but abandoned it after winning the election.

According to the official version when leftists get elected to office we should always (or almost always) get leftist policies and vice versa when rightists get elected to office but this is not the case. The German Green party was originally pacifist and was founded on an anti-nuclear power position. They gained power in a coalition government in the late 1990s but abandoned their program, effectively delaying the end of nuclear power in Germany until the nuclear industry wants to end it and supporting military intervention during the Kosovo war. Lula, the current president of Brazil, originally ran on an anti-corporate and anti-IMF platform but is now cooperating with the IMF (although his rhetoric, but not his policies, are sometimes critical of it) and he's just as favorable towards corporate power as his predecessor.

The socialist/social democratic/labor parties in Europe were originally revolutionary Marxist parties aiming to establish a communist society. As they won elections and gained power they increasingly abandoned this goal and became ordinary capitalist parties. At first they continued to mouth Marxist rhetoric while pushing reformist policies, but eventually even Marxist rhetoric was abandoned. Prior to world war one they declared their opposition to any kind of inter-imperialist world war on the grounds that workers should not kill each other in order to benefit their capitalist masters. When world war one broke out all but two parties (the Bolsheviks and US Socialist party - neither of whom had gained much power through elections) abandoned this stance and supported their own government in a wave of patriotic fervor. Today they're pushing through Reagan/Clinton-style deregulation and "free market reforms," dismantling the very welfare states they formerly advocated.

The most liberal American president in the last 30 years was Richard Nixon, a Republican whose personal beliefs and rhetoric were quite conservative. He created the environmental protection agency, established diplomatic relations with China, (eventually) withdrew from Vietnam, ended the draft, supported affirmative action, proposed a minimum income and imposed price controls. Every president since Nixon - including Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton - has been more conservative.

In the US & UK Ronald Reagan & Margaret Thatcher implemented far right policies that attacked the social safety net and benefited big business in the name of the "free market." During the same time period in Australia and West Europe the supposedly left-wing parties (labor/social democrats/socialists) held power and implemented the same "free market" policies. Clinton & Blair from the supposedly left-wing parties (Democrat & Labor) later defeated Reagan & Thatcher's successors but once in office continued the same "free market" policies as their predecessors.

This refutes all the nonsense about how "your vote makes a difference." Politicians are required to implement the same policies (what the elite want) even if it conflicts with their campaign promises no matter who is elected. Elected representatives are figureheads. That's why there are so many examples of people getting elected and then doing the opposite of what they promised. Electing different people to power is not an effective way to change policy. In practice, politicians differ only in the lies they tell to get in power. Once in power their policies are the same given the same situation, although the rhetoric and symbolism used to justify those policies may change greatly.

Changes in policy direction are due to changes in the situation, not who is elected to office. Most major changes in policy do not coincide with new people getting in office; they coincide with changes in the situation. When the Great Depression started the US government responded with Keynesian state interventions in the economy designed to resuscitate the economy and prevent growing population movements (caused by the depression) from bringing about revolution. This actually began under Hoover, who did more in this area than any previous President, even though these policies are usually attributed to the next President, FDR.

In the mid-twentieth century welfare states expanded in most Western societies as a way of preventing the then large revolutionary socialist movements from overthrowing the government (welfare programs can make the poor less likely to rebel since they are better off and because it makes the state seem more benevolent). The welfare state was in the elites' interests because it was a way to prevent revolution and decrease unrest, which helped them gain and keep power & profit. The state bureaucracy will sometimes nationalize a limited amount of industry under these conditions, as a way of preventing revolution and also of keeping capitalism going (selling unprofitable industries to the government can be a useful way for businesses & investors to recoup loses during a depression).

In the later twentieth century these revolutionary movements declined and the welfare state was gradually dismantled. It was no longer in the interests of the elite to maintain a welfare state because the threat of unrest & revolution was no longer there to justify the costs. In the US this started not under Reagan, as liberals usually claim, but in the later part of Carter's term with deregulation and other small attacks on the welfare state. Carter also initiated other policies liberals blame Reagan for, including support for the Contras, Pol Pot, Afghan Mujahadeen and Saddam Hussein. This dismantling of the welfare state and general move to the right has continued under every subsequent President regardless of which party was in power.

In the US, during Nixon's term, there were a number of growing left-wing movements and spreading revolutionary ideology that threatened to overthrow the government. Had he not done things like end the draft, withdraw from Vietnam and implement other liberal reforms there was a real possibility that socialist revolution would erupt and even if it didn't there would have been greater unrest which would likely outweigh the cost of his reforms.

Although elections do not secure popular control over the state, they do help secure state control over the populace. Voting is a ritual that reinforces obedience to state authority. It creates the illusion that "the people" control the state, thereby masking elite rule. That illusion makes rebellion against the state less likely because it is seen as a legitimate institution and as an instrument of popular rule rather than the oligarchy it really is. This is why even totalitarian states like Russia under Stalin had elections. Embedded within all electoral campaigns is the myth that "the people" control the state through voting. This is implied & assumed by all election campaigns because it if wasn't true then the campaign for that candidate would be pointless.

This is why governments and corporations today are generally supportive of elections or at least do not question them. Government schools usually promote the importance of voting, teaching the official view that citizens control the state via elections, and some corporations (like MTV) even run commercials encouraging people to vote. It is in the interests of governments and corporations to promote voting because they serve to legitimize the system and reduce unrest.

In addition, elections can help neutralize resistance movements by getting disgruntled individuals to channel their efforts into the election, instead of more effective means of resistance. Since electoral campaigns are an ineffective means of changing policy, all the labor and resources put into election campaigns are wasted. Potential rebellion is thus diverted into a dead end where it will not hurt the system. Boycotting elections doesn't necessarily change things, but participating in elections (and especially in election campaigns) changes things for the worse by legitimizing the state and wasting resources. A vote for anyone is a vote for capitalist "democracy" and to strengthen the state.

Some Democrats try to guilt leftists into voting for their candidate(s) by arguing that oppressed peoples - the poor, people of color (POC) - vote for their candidate and so you should therefore do the same. The most obvious problem with this is that most oppressed people don't vote. You're more likely to vote the richer and whiter you are. So by their logic you shouldn't be voting because most poor/POC don't vote.

This argument is also based on a logical fallacy. Just because someone is poor/non-white doesn't mean everything they believe is correct. Most believe in god and during periods in the past Leninism was quite popular among sections of the poor/POC. It does not follow from this that either idea is true. Just because oppression is wrong does not mean that everything an oppressed person believes is true.

Some leftists argue that having Democrats in power is better because they will be more responsive to leftist pressure than Republicans. This argument was widely used in 1992 to justify voting for Bill Clinton but the conservative policies implemented by his presidency, which were basically a continuation of the first Bush's policies, disprove this argument. To continue believing it after Clinton is to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality.

Influence actually goes the other way around: having a Democrat in office makes the left more likely to believe the president's lies and go along with his policies than if a Republican were in office doing the same thing. Clinton was able to gut welfare, something Reagan wanted to do but couldn't, because he was able to co-opt other Democrats into going along with it. Had a Republican done the same many more would have opposed it. When Clinton attacked Yugoslavia & bombed Iraq the response from the left was quite small, but when Bush attacked Iraq the left formed a much larger movement against it. Many leftists (erroneously) think that a Democrat is preferable to a Republican and so are willing to give a Democrat the benefit of the doubt, and therefore are more likely to believe their lies, but will be much more skeptical of a Republican even if he does the same thing.

In addition, electing a Democrat can ruin left-wing movements if they support that candidate. Once in power that Democrat will have to do the same thing a Republican would under the same circumstances. This can cause leftists who supported the Democrats to become disillusioned and drop out - allowing the right to advance even further.

Some claim that the year 2000 "election"/coup shows that "every vote counts" but it actually shows the opposite. The Supreme Court decided who became president, not the voters. Gore would be president today if you went by what the voters wanted (and he would be doing the same thing Bush is doing).

Actual power lies with big business and the state bureaucracy, elected representatives must do what these institutions want. If they do not obey these institutions pressure on them will mount and various disciplinary mechanisms (such as capital flight) will come into play to force them to do so. Ultimately they will be removed from office (through elections, coups, or other means) if they continue to disobey these institutions. The White House and Congress don't really make the decisions, Wall Street and the Pentagon do. Who wins the election makes no difference (with rare exceptions) because all politicians must do what the elite want. Elections are a scam whose function is to neutralize resistance movements and dupe ordinary citizens into thinking they control the state.

http://question-everything.mahost.org/
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 10:47 pm
If the world is playing Monopoly, the person who is playing Chutes & Ladders will be disappointed.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 04:17 pm
"Special-interest money in politics is said to be like water ?- blocking its flow in one direction only channels it to another. In this year's presidential election, the flow is turning into a flood.

Last year, groups not affiliated with the major parties were responsible for 19 percent of spending in federal elections, up from 7 percent in 2000, according to an analysis by The Wall Street Journal. These independent groups ?- often called "527s," after the section of the tax code that allows them ?- are powerful conduits for special-interest money. They can raise money from corporations, organizations and wealthy individuals without the contribution limits that parties and campaigns have. Many represent very narrow political lobbies, like the tax-phobic Club for Growth, or various unions.

Although nominally unaffiliated with a particular candidate, these groups can play a critical role in the outcome of elections. A now-classic case is the 2004 attack advertising campaign paid for by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group with no official ties to President Bush or the Republican Party.

Independent groups are flourishing this campaign season. Iowa is full of 527s, spending piles on television ads and get-out-the-vote efforts to help or harm candidates in both parties. The candidates invariably insist they have no control over the independents working on their behalf ?- even if, as in the case of one group helping John Edwards, it is run by a former top adviser.

Regulators have done little to stop this, even when campaign finance laws are being violated. Some of the worst offenders from 2004 were only recently slapped with fines. The slow-moving Federal Election Commission is likely to shift to wounded-snail pace next month when ?- because of a dispute over appointments to the commission ?- it is expected lose its quorum.

While the regulators are hobbled, the political operatives are becoming ever more wily. The newest players are so-called 501 (c) groups. That section of the tax code exempts nonprofit "social welfare" groups, which are allowed to urge votes for or against candidates so long as partisan campaigning is not their primary purpose. These organizations, which are not required to detail their election spending or reveal donors' names, threaten to become this season's big new laissez-faire outlet.

It often looks like there is no way to hold back this flood. But giving up on regulating money in elections would be giving up on the goal of fair elections. Congress, regulators and the courts must do their best to be as creative and vigilant about keeping the money under control as special interests are in spending it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/opinion/02wed1.html
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2008 05:11 pm
believe me please.
The title of this thread mirrors my view when I observe your country's show business in the name of Democracy.
Seek Democracy elsewhere and allow USA to continue
this outmoded drama.
My name is Rama
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2008 08:59 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
believe me please.
The title of this thread mirrors my view when I observe your country's show business in the name of Democracy.
Seek Democracy elsewhere and allow USA to continue
this outmoded drama.
My name is Rama


Too much to read that can be summed up in a few sentences. Get with the U.S. social mores; don't waste our time with reams of verbiage. Be concise. Your posts are like the Ashkashic Records.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2008 09:07 pm
Laughing
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2008 09:37 pm
Actually, I don't know what the "get with the U.S. social mores" comment has to do with anything, but that Akashic records comment was priceless.

Ramafuchs, I agree with Foofie in the sense that I wish you would try to summarize things after reading them and then maybe just post a link to the article along with the summarizing post. This way, people can decide whether they want to read the whole article for themselves, and people would be more likely to post in response, in my opinion. All that text is a pain in the ass to scroll past if you're just checking out a thread to see what's being discussed. Just a suggestion.

Carry on.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 01:05 am
When he does that then people make fun of his post because it isn't the quality of the Queen's English with perfect grammar.

He posts these articles as a method of expressing his view without having to struggle expressing it in a language he isn't comfortable writing.


That being said, Ramafuchs, you might inspire more discussion in your topics by selectively quoting short excerpts from the articles and giving a link for people to read further.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 01:10 am
As far as elections go, no they aren't perfect and some of our candidates try to work on changing that without getting sucked into it by doing so.

I still much prefer an inferior election process and peaceful transition of power to that of assination or bloody coup.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 02:46 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
When he does that then people make fun of his post because it isn't the quality of the Queen's English with perfect grammar.


And those people are what we in my circle call moronic assh*les.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 02:52 pm
I , with all my humility accept your logical, constructive advice.
I wish not to hurt anybody who are well informed in this forum by posting( a cut and paste) thread.
My intention is to motivate the passerby- ( visitors) to participate in this forum.
By putting the whole text, I presume, one can read without klicking the link which sometimes make trouble to the computer.
Anyway I will try to limit my participation if it is irksome for others.
Regards
Rama
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 03:33 pm
It's nauseating when you think about it. Elections -- the centerpiece of democracy -- have become so steeped in money from special interests and the wealthy that the constitutional notion of one person, one vote has become a historic footnote.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/65238/

The only solace is that we may have finally reached a moment of clarity. We see why Congress can't pass reasonable automobile fuel efficiency standards, while the icecaps melt and natural disasters escalate. We see why the middle class continue their slide into poverty, as the disparity between rich and poor grows to levels not seen since before the Depression. And why there are 47 million Americans without health insurance.

These facts are not merely the result of an abominable administration. I wish it were that simple. It is a lethal brew of profoundly broken electoral and media systems that must be fundamentally reformed -- and fast.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/dont-change-the-channel_b_82208.html
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 03:40 pm
There is an interesting poem by Edwin Arlington Robinson that I would comment to the author of this thread, The title is "Miniver Cheevy".
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 03:45 pm
Geo
you mean this?
Miniver Cheevy, child of scorn,
Grew lean while he assailed the seasons
He wept that he was ever born,
And he had reasons.

Miniver loved the days of old
When swords were bright and steeds were prancing;
The vision of a warrior bold
Would send him dancing.

Miniver sighed for what was not,
And dreamed, and rested from his labors;
He dreamed of Thebes and Camelot,
And Priam's neighbors.

Miniver mourned the ripe renown
That made so many a name so fragrant;
He mourned Romance, now on the town,
And Art, a vagrant.

Miniver loved the Medici,
Albeit he had never seen one;
He would have sinned incessantly
Could he have been one.

Miniver cursed the commonplace
And eyed a khaki suit with loathing:
He missed the medieval grace
Of iron clothing.

Miniver scorned the gold he sought,
But sore annoyed was he without it;
Miniver thought, and thought, and thought,
And thought about it.

Miniver Cheevy, born too late,
Scratched his head and kept on thinking;
Miniver coughed, and called it fate,
And kept on drinking.

-- Edwin Arlington Robinson
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 03:48 pm
Yes I do.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 03:59 pm
I pay my respects to you for your critical observations about my inadequacies
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