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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:18 pm
Me too! Can't wait to read The Corner. They are going to be pissed.

Latest from Kos:

Quote:

Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:12:27 PM PST

Good guys:

943 of 1,781 districts reporting

Obama 34.31
Edwards 31.62
Clinton 31.24
Richardson 1.74
Biden 1.02
Dodd 0.04
Uncommitted 0.03

Bad guys:

450 of 1,781 districts reporting

Huckabee 35
Romney 24
Thomspon 14
McCain 12
Paul 11
Giuliani 4


Literally the latest - that's like a minute old.

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:35 pm
fbaezer wrote:
I vow to the Des Moines Register pollsters. Good job!

In fairness, the last polls out by InsiderAdvantage, ARG and Zogby also all had Huckabee ahead. By 6%, 5% and 6% respectively (the DMR poll also had him ahead by 6%).

Earlier on I said I just didnt have a clue who'd win. I should have heeded a last-minute reminder I read somewhere about how Pat Robertson fared, back when. Almost all the polls had him in single digits until the very end; just one last-week poll had him at 14%. But he got 20%.

I wonder just how much support Huckabee got! Based on the polls he had a 50/50 chance of winning anyway, but if MSNBC is calling the Republican race already when they deem the Democrats race too close to call, he must have won by a comfortable margin?

Possible backgrounds from the top of my head:

- The pollsters undersample hardcore born-again Christian conservatives (but why would that be? Are they harder to reach?).

- The true Christian conservatives (say, born-again weekly church-goers) come out with more discipline than others - and particularly so in this once-in-15 years case when one of their very own is standing, and a likely voter model can't capture that.

The Robertson reference came with a related reminder I think, namely that born-again Christian conservatives are less likely than mainstream voters to be swayed by high-profile media stories (like, for example, those about the Huck's various recent gaffes). They rely largely on their own networks for information, through the church etc, and thus remain relatively sheltered from mainstream media narratives, even Fox's.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:41 pm
I was viewing the democrat results, nimh.
On the spot.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:51 pm
fbaezer wrote:
I was viewing the democrat results, nimh.
On the spot.

Oh, OK! Gotcha. Smile

Well --

Latest update from Kos (5 minutes ago):

36.78 Obama
30.16 Edwards
29.92 Clinton

If that holds up, the honour of the 'best poll' doesnt go to the DMR one, but to Strategic Vision, a Republican pollster! Huh!

DMR: Obama 32, Clinton 25, Edwards 24
SV: Obama 32, Edwards 29, Clinton 27
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 09:01 pm
Nice to see if Hillary finishes third.

Nimh, looks like I missed both of them. I predicted Huckabee would fade and lose to Romney, and Hillary would win. Oh well, how can you figure a state that went for Pat Robertson, of all people?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 09:16 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Bets:
Dems: Obama. Edwards, Clinton
Repubs: Huckabee, McCain, Romney

All by margins too close to preclude them from moving on.


That was from 1/1/2008. Any bets on NH?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 09:17 pm
I'll put 4 guineas on Obama for the Dems.

No dice on the Republicans.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 09:21 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
realjohnboy wrote:
Bets:
Dems: Obama. Edwards, Clinton
Repubs: Huckabee, McCain, Romney

All by margins too close to preclude them from moving on.


That was from 1/1/2008. Any bets on NH?

My wrong predictions were Dec. 29.
I think Iowa improves chances for Obama in NH. On the Republican side, I don't think Huck can win there, but McCain is coming on, its between Romney and McCain. It wouldn't surprise me to see McCain win there, unless he says or does something stupid, or something comes out about something negative, such as the push polling, in the next days.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 09:42 pm
okie wrote:
Nimh, looks like I missed both of them. I predicted Huckabee would fade and lose to Romney, and Hillary would win.

Well, at least you made predictions! I was too chicken Smile

realjohnboy wrote:
Any bets on NH?

OK, that was always more doable. Here's mine:

Republicans: McCain
Democrats: Obama
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 10:14 pm
nimh wrote:
Republicans: McCain
Democrats: Obama
Seconded (gratefully)... and wouldn't that make a fantastic general election? (Don't forget about the pact).
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:36 pm
nimh wrote:
okie wrote:
Nimh, looks like I missed both of them. I predicted Huckabee would fade and lose to Romney, and Hillary would win.

Well, at least you made predictions! I was too chicken Smile

realjohnboy wrote:
Any bets on NH?

OK, that was always more doable. Here's mine:

Republicans: McCain
Democrats: Obama


You'd have predicted this before tonight?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:01 am
snood wrote:
nimh wrote:
okie wrote:
Nimh, looks like I missed both of them. I predicted Huckabee would fade and lose to Romney, and Hillary would win.

Well, at least you made predictions! I was too chicken Smile

realjohnboy wrote:
Any bets on NH?

OK, that was always more doable. Here's mine:

Republicans: McCain
Democrats: Obama


You'd have predicted this before tonight?
I think he's in bed... but I think he might answer something like this;

Why not? Look who's charging in their respective races:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1484/obamaclintonnewhampshirkb8.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1700/mccainromneyfinaljb8.jpg
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 04:49 am
Why not? You gonna feign like Obama's credibility is the same today as before the Iowa caucus?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:25 am
snood wrote:
Why not? You gonna feign like Obama's credibility is the same today as before the Iowa caucus?
No, I was feigning like I was nimh (notice pretty charts from pollster.com). :wink: You may notice; Obama's trending stronger in New Hampshire than he was yesterday in Iowa. And lose the attitude. It's a beautiful day to be an American.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 06:16 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
snood wrote:
Why not? You gonna feign like Obama's credibility is the same today as before the Iowa caucus?
No, I was feigning like I was nimh (notice pretty charts from pollster.com). :wink: You may notice; Obama's trending stronger in New Hampshire than he was yesterday in Iowa. And lose the attitude. It's a beautiful day to be an American.


I'm happy as a pig in slop. Nothing wrong with my "attitude" - My simple point is that a lot of people who didn't think Obama had a chance are now thinking twice. No reason Nimh (or you) might not be some of those people.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 06:28 am
snood wrote:
You'd have predicted this before tonight?

No. Before tonight I wouldnt have dared predict whether McCain or Romney would win, or whether Obama or Hillary would win.

O'Bill is right - the polls have been showing Obama surging in NH for some time, and were clearly heading towards an Obama lead. So the prediction isnt a great surprise. But nevertheless I would have been too careful, since the most recent polls (from the last half a month or so) actually showed Obama's rise levelling off again and Hillary stabilising. (This doesnt show up in the more cautious Pollster graphs, but does in my graph of half-a-month averages, which I'll post later today). The Iowa results should restart the original dynamic again though.

Same for the Republican race. The polls have been showing McCain surging in NH - much more so still than Obama - and Romney dropping off slightly. The latest results all had McCain actually ahead already. But if Romney had won the Iowa caucuses, he might well have regained his footing enough in NH as well to still clinch victory there. Now I think that's out of the question. As for Huckabee, he'll go up in NH now of course, but no way he'll win, I dont think.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 10:15 am
Huckabee and McCain ganging up on Romney. What is this about?

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/04/the-political-wire-huckabee-mccain-train-sights-on-romney/
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:00 am
okie wrote:


Survival! Both of them are threatened by Romney more then anyone else.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:03 am
Romney is fighting for survival also. One commentator speculated this morning that he is toast if he loses NH. I don't think that is accurate, but it appears to me that McCain's chances have made a tremendous comeback, and who can predict Huckabee?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 02:34 pm
Intrade markets are responding predictably.

http://data.intrade.com/graphing/temp/chart119763480250596156.png

http://data.intrade.com/graphing/temp/chart119763480250596147.png

Smart money is going with Obama. By NH I bet he's passed her.

Cycloptichorn
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