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Re-read the article.
Even if I disagree somewhat with it (and I found out that Alisa Valdés Rodríguez, whose full name is somewhat similar to mine, has also similar roots: mainly Spanish, with a black dash), I gotta say that she can also be interpreted the way Sozobe and Butrflynet did.
So all her readers agreed with her... for different reasons. (Must tell you something about her inability to make herself clear).

Some of the responses to the blog were good, some very good; what angered me were others:

"I continue to be ridiculed by a large proportion of my Puerto Rican, Dominican and Cuban brethren when I claim my blackness. If I had a penny for every time I heard an exasperated sigh followed by "But you're not Black, You're Puerto Rican!" (actually - my father was 1/2 black so na nee na nee boo boo.)"

"...what we commonly refer to as the "latino community" holds negative views of dark skinned people, be they African American or Afro-Columbian. Studes like this one consistently bear witness to the fact that Latino immigrants, especially Mexicans, bear highly negative views of black people that would on a par with your average racist Irish cop"

"the puerto Rican that understand a bui their blackness are those born and raised in New York... perhaps you are one of those....so that´s why I understand your cooments on the NY times articel...but I wouldn´t expect that from a "latino" or "Hispano" "

"Africa is the motherland."

"If you want to get anti black
attitudes from a hispanic ask
los angeles hispanics mostly of
central american and mexican
descent. they come from places
were being black is "TABOO" and
there is virtually no current day
african influence. "

"The Black community built the Civil Rights movement and changed the nation while numbering only 10% of the population. So I know the fact that Latinos 'outnumber' African Americans is largely irrelevant in the context of social and civic change movements"

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Butrflynet wrote:

sozobe wrote:
Quote:
Let me just point out that the freaking blog and comments made me very angry.

Really?

I'll re-read it from that perspective, but I thought her overriding point was actually about the diversity within the Latino community, and that blaming the lack of Latino support for Obama on Latino racism was silly, not least because many Latinos ARE also black.

That was the impression I got from it too and that of several of the people who forwarded it to me.

The demographics you cite validate the contention of that blog entry where she was saying that the trumped-up media idea of Latino/Black racism is unfounded and that populations of Latinos and Blacks are not monolithic.

For anyone who missed it, here's the post where I linked to that blog many pages back.

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3058934#3058934

Fbaezer, I've reread it and I'm still not understanding why the anger. Can you explain it to me so I'll be better informed?

What I'm reading is a blog post responding to an article in the NY Times about how unlikely it is that Latinos will vote for a Black. She uses examples of the same demographic mix you cited in your population breakdown and said that Latinos were not monolithic and she was very offended by the NY Times article and their stereotypical depiction of Latinos in a photo of Hillary eating a taco that was meant to show how popular she was with them.

She ended with a taunt to the media telling them to contact her for insights into voting Latinos and not the NY Times.

What am I missing or not understanding?

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The way I see it is that those people (the "bad" posters of the blog) have fallen in the cultural pit of American race division. Into the very trap that has helped the racial divide.

I find it disheartening that, while the Republican side plays the whites-minorities tune, the Democratic side (and I mean rank & file & advisors) plays the "division within the minorities" tune. And the advisors "know" that regardless who gets the nomination, latinos & blacks will vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic party come november, and they don't give a sh¡t about the bad milk spilt.

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That explains what is missing then. I didn't read the comments, I only read her blog entry.

I'm still not understanding though. Are you saying that is incorrect to think that Blacks or Latinos or Asians do not vote in monolithic blocks?

Or, are you saying that people are trying to drive a wedge between the various minorities by pitting their voting statistics up against each other in an effort to force them to vote in monolithic blocks?

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Butrflynet wrote:

That explains what is missing then. I didn't read the comments, I only read her blog entry.

I'm still not understanding though. Are you saying that is incorrect to think that Blacks or Latinos or Asians do not vote in monolithic blocks?

Or, are you saying that people are trying to drive a wedge between the various minorities by pitting their voting statistics up against each other in an effort to force them to vote in monolithic blocks?

The second choice. Yes. Happens in both camps. Terrible.

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Whole-heartedly agree and that was the motive for me posting a link to that blog. I thought it was making the point rather well.

Reading the comments you cited, I can see where the anger comes from. People forget the common goal in their effort to get their share of a piece of the pie.

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fbaezer wrote:

Nihm, is there any data about the Asian-American vote in California and elsewhere?

The exit poll for California has numbers for the Asian-American vote; they went overwhelmingly for Clinton, by 71% to 25%. Thats even more pro-Hillary than the Latino voters were. And they made up 8% of the Democratic primary voters.

In none of the other states Asians made up a large enough subset for there to be crosstabs for them in the exit polls. They made up 4% of the voters in New Jersey and 3% in Nevada, but that was still too small a subset to provide reliable voting data, and in all the other states that there are exit polls for they made up 2% at most.

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Thanks for further details re: Rodriguez' blog, fbaezer, I understand better now I think.

Re: those New Mexico votes -- still not counted, but just found out that they have until February 15th to finish things up. (I was wondering how long it could go on...)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/still-counting-ballots-in-new-mexico/#more-4177

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David Brooks' column in the NYT today is funny -- and a propos to this thread as well. Smile

Quote:

Questions for Dr. Retail

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Brooks is an ass.

Look at the slope of the line!!!

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Brooks is an ass.

I think he has a good substantive point, underneath the irony.

And I will prove it with a table of the kind I made about white/Latino/black votes earlier, highlighting the education gap... but not right now :wink:

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Oh, and that pollster.com graph stretched the page... I mean, beyond what you can still solve by scrolling to the right a little and pushing the names/avatar off to the left. Have some mercy with those of us on a 1024 x 768 screen, we're still a majority...

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nimh wrote:

Oh, and that pollster.com graph stretched the page... I mean, beyond what you can still solve by scrolling to the right a little and pushing the names/avatar off to the left. Have some mercy with those of us on a 1024 x 768 screen, we're still a majority...

Damnit! I hate when others do that...

sorry

Cycloptichorn

ps it is BIG mo tho, takes a big graph hehehe

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I liked the Brooks column too, I'd put it in my politics blog thread a bit earlier.

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nimh wrote:

Oh, and that pollster.com graph stretched the page... I mean, beyond what you can still solve by scrolling to the right a little and pushing the names/avatar off to the left. Have some mercy with those of us on a 1024 x 768 screen, we're still a majority...

Yes, pretty please with sugar on top, either link large pics or take the extra minute to reduce them at Imageshack.net.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

nimh wrote:
Oh, and that pollster.com graph stretched the page... I mean, beyond what you can still solve by scrolling to the right a little and pushing the names/avatar off to the left. Have some mercy with those of us on a 1024 x 768 screen, we're still a majority...
Yes, pretty please with sugar on top, either link large pics or take the extra minute to reduce them at Imageshack.net.

Okay okay

sheesh

lol

Cycloptichorn

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Interesting:

http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/fixed-active-hi-level-pollster-report-card-through-020608.JPG

From SUSA's site, of course (given that they're at the top of the list).

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Hillary got her boost to announce her candidacy from organizations like NOW and FOB, while Obama got his boost to announce his candidacy from an organization of students on college campuses and then spread to the community around them.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

nimh wrote:
Oh, and that pollster.com graph stretched the page... I mean, beyond what you can still solve by scrolling to the right a little and pushing the names/avatar off to the left. Have some mercy with those of us on a 1024 x 768 screen, we're still a majority...

Damnit! I hate when others do that...

sorry

Cycloptichorn

ps it is BIG mo tho, takes a big graph hehehe

Did we really need another graph to demonstrate that Obama has become more and more popular? I mean really? I get that your excited, but did anyone learn anything NEW from that graph?

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I did. Thanks for posting it Cyclo, even if it is oversized.

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