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Get yer polls, bets, numbers & pretty graphs! Elections 2008

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:09 pm
So I reckon advertising works. I had Romney at more like 10-12%.
You, Nimh, don't perhaps get access to "local" radio in places like SC, unless you really search for it like I do. The anti-Mormon-anti-Romney vote turned out to be a bit less then I expected, hurting McCain some and Thompson more.
Does that mean SC is getting more tolerant? We will see next week when the SC Dems do their primary.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:16 pm
Is McCain's campaign song really Take A Chance On Me?

Thats what they're playing how he's finished his speech...
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:23 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Bets.

In the SC Repub primary. I see McCain winning narrowly over Huckabee. There are a lot of active duty and retired military folks there who regard McCain as a war hero and a staunch supporter of a strong military.
Huckabee has the evangelical movement behind him.
Third place? Romney has the evangelical movement against him. Rudi has no traction. Thompson seems damn lazy, but I guess I would pick him for third place.

I have no idea about Nevada. Clinton has a lot of support amongt the Hispanic caucus voters but the unions they belong to-some of them-have endorsed Obama. These folks have to declare publically who they will go for.
I see it it as Clinton, Obama and somebody in third place. Distantly.


Not bad for a dumb redneck.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:23 pm
nimh wrote:
Is McCain's campaign song really Take A Chance On Me?

Thats what they're playing how he's finished his speech...
Laughing ABBA? Now you have to like him just a little bit more...
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:26 pm
Update that delegate count in SC to 19 to 5 McCain over Huckabee, so McCain wins more delegates today, I think he also got 4 in Nevada, compared to 18 for Romney.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:28 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
realjohnboy wrote:
Bets.

In the SC Repub primary. I see McCain winning narrowly over Huckabee. There are a lot of active duty and retired military folks there who regard McCain as a war hero and a staunch supporter of a strong military.
Huckabee has the evangelical movement behind him.
Third place? Romney has the evangelical movement against him. Rudi has no traction. Thompson seems damn lazy, but I guess I would pick him for third place.

I have no idea about Nevada. Clinton has a lot of support amongt the Hispanic caucus voters but the unions they belong to-some of them-have endorsed Obama. These folks have to declare publically who they will go for.
I see it it as Clinton, Obama and somebody in third place. Distantly.


Not bad for a dumb redneck.

You called it right on.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 09:34 pm
Well done, RJB!
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 10:40 pm
okie wrote:
Update that delegate count in SC to 19 to 5 McCain over Huckabee, so McCain wins more delegates today, I think he also got 4 in Nevada, compared to 18 for Romney.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC

On the subject of Romney and delegates... he's got a strategy, apparently:

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More Romney Savviness

Matt Yglesias mentions another Romney advantage I didn't touch on Thursday night: He has an explicit "delegate strategy" and is executing it pretty well. He had the highest delegate count coming into today and will pick up many more with his overwhelming victory in Nevada, which has more delegates up for grabs than the higher-profile South Carolina contest. As Matt says: "At the end of the day, you need delegates to win. A strategy to win delegates seems like a smart strategy."


That blog item refers to a blog item that refers to an article on the WaPo's blog:

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Romney's Delegate Strategy -- and the GOP's Embarrassment of Riches

Mitt Romney, appearing upbeat after his Michigan primary win last night, told reporters today he was confident he could secure the GOP nomination by focusing on states where he holds a strategic advantage over his rivals.

While several Republican presidential hopefuls -- including Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee -- are focused on winning here in South Carolina on Saturday in order to emerge as their party's front-runner, Romney is spending just one day in the Palmetto State before leaving to campaign in Nevada, which holds its primary on the same day. [..]

In a press conference at the Sun City Hilton Head Retirement Center, Romney told reporters that he was focusing on Nevada because it had a total of 34 delegates, as compared to South Carolina's 24. (South Carolina's are binding; Nevada will be choosing 31 of its delegates Saturday, who will not technically be bound to a specific candidate until April 26.)

"I'm planning to get the nomination. I'm not looking for gold stars on my forehead like I'm in first grade," he said. "I'm looking to rack up the delegates I need to win the nomination." [..]

Romney also chastised reporters for ignoring his victory in Wyoming earlier this month, where he won more than half the state's delegates. The RNC slashed the state's delegate count to 14 to punish it for accelerating its primary so just a handful of GOP candidates, including Romney, former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson, and Reps. Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul, campaigned there.

"We won Wyoming the old-fashioned way. We out-worked the other guys," Romney said, adding that either he or one of his relatives "called every Wyoming voter." [..]
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 10:51 pm
Snippets of backgrounds to Hillary Clinton's narrow victory in Nevada:

Women dominated turnout:

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CNN's Nevada entrance poll shows women outnumbered men by a huge 59-41 margin, and they favored Hillary by a 51-43 margin.


Latinos went en masse for Hillary:

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Hillary also crushed Obama among Latinos, 64-26, which could be an ominous sign for him.


In the Vegas casinos, the influence of the pro-Obama culinary union may have been offset by the management's support for Hillary:

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Bill [Clinton has acted] particularly exercised about the at-large precincts located at Vegas casinos, where Obama's culinary union [..] endorsement was supposed to pay big dividends. But, of course, the gaming industry itself is a very powerful interest-group in Vegas (management, that is). And, as we've been hearing over the last few days, it overwhelmingly supported Hillary. No surprise, then, that she appears to have fought Obama to a rough draw along on The Strip.


Edwards' failure:

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Maybe [..] Edwards's inability to draw older, whiter, less affluent voters [also benefited Hillary].


Hillary must have won the last debate:

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Another thing to keep in mind, courtesy of today's entrance polls: About two-thirds of Nevada caucusgoers said Tuesday night's debate was very important. Hillary won those people by a 54-33 margin.


All quotes from the TNR blogs..
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:20 am
Okay. Sorry for dropping this here, but it somehow really fits into this thread:



Reading Tea Leaves and Campaign Logos



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From the The NYT.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:37 am
That was cool!

I remember the analyses of the Kerry/Edwards sign (I never liked it) and was wondering what the design world thought about the Obama logo.

One thing that I think they kinda skip over is how the Obama "O" is instantly recognizable, like the Bush "W," all by itself. ("I'm not sure what makes me angrier - the fact that that Prius driver is an Obama supporter or the fact that that 'O' logo is so darn catchy!") I was thinking that when I was watching the CNN Caesar's Palace coverage, all those people in red shirts with just the big white Obama "O."
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:57 am
Another version of campaign tea leaves. Gourmet food for a party of 20 vs. sandwiches for a party of 5 during Nevada's campaign week.

http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/normclarke/vegas_update/13922037.html?normBN=true

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Jan. 19, 2008

CLINTON, OBAMA KEEP N9NE STEAKHOUSE BUSY


Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her camp ate a little higher off the hog than her rival Barack Obama during their week of campaigning in Las Vegas.

Both campaign camps called N9NE Steakhouse at the Palms minutes apart Friday for a food delivery.

Chef Barry Dakake and Jenna Morton, wife of N9NE co-owner Michael Morton, delivered around $200 worth of food, including two Kobe burgers, two organic chicken sandwiches and one order of Dover sole, to Obama in a conference room at the Las Vegas Signature Terminal.

The Clintons' tab came to $1,530 and included entrees of nine steaks, three chicken, three salmon and three Maine scallops, two lobster pappardelle, salads, sashimi, rock shrimp, and various side dishes.

The Clintons, who spent the week in a Bellagio villa, also had a big order delivered from N9NE on Monday.






And in today's New York Times is an article about all the campaigns running out of money...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/us/politics/20donate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 10:02 am
sozobe wrote:
I remember the analyses of the Kerry/Edwards sign (I never liked it) and was wondering what the design world thought about the Obama logo.


They seem to love the Obama logo. Along the lines of this bit here:

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Some 'O' logos:

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_aapi.jpg

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_afam.jpg

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_aafo.jpg

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_enviros.jpg

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_kids.jpg

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_lgbt.jpg

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_veterans.jpg

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/obama_women.jpg


Also noteworthy (from a design perspective): products you can by in the 'Obama Store'...

http://i29.tinypic.com/vxkye8.jpg

Also notice the choice of words here - 'Obama Store' instead of 'Shop' or something. Along the lines of the 'Apple Store'.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 10:55 am
I've been to the Obama site many times but I confess I never checked in to each of those sub-groups, and so never saw/noticed the design tweaks -- very cool, I agree! (And now sozlet is raring to join "Kids for Obama...")

I have to say that this has been irritating me, though:

http://www1.barackobama.com/images/temp_flashheader.jpg

It appeared a bit after Iowa if I remember right. It's too messiah-ish, I don't like it. I think they'd be better served by just a straightforward shot of him looking at the camera, maybe a little smile, not necessarily the thousand-watter though. Also don't like the quote. Seems like another one would better encapsulate the good things about the campaign.

We're way off-topic now, though, sorry nimh!
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 03:19 pm
Clever, OE! And no problem, Soz..
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 03:23 pm
Commenting on the results of a poll that Strategic Vision did in Florida on January 11-13, its CEO wrote:

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"Giuliani has fallen dramatically since our earlier polls and this is the first time that he has trailed," continued Johnson. "He has lost significant support to McCain and leads only in South Florida. Also nearly a third of his supporters indicated that they may change their mind before the primary. However, a large portion of the Giuliani decline could be attributed to his early losses and in a volatile and chaotic race, his support may return particularly if McCain were to lose South Carolina.

Well, McCain did not lose in South Carolina, which thus should position him well in Florida, and spells trouble for Rudy.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 03:25 pm
Obama: a bigger problem with gender than with race? Reviewing the latest CNN poll

Obama's white women problem

Interesting stuff on gender and race in a new national CNN poll. It includes an oversampling of African-American respondents, and buried in the crosstabs are some data about the intersection of race and gender that might just be crucial to Obama's fate.

The poll was done on January 14-17, and interviewed 513 African-Americans as well as 743 non-Hispanic whites. This made it possible to go deeper into preferences by race than you would be able to with only a proportional sample of African-Americans.

The topline numbers show Obama leading Clinton among blacks by 59% to 31%, but trailing her among whites by 25% to 43%. Seems bad news for him - if Hillary is going to win the white vote and he the black vote, he's not going to succeed. But the good news for him is that he is up among both groups, and Hillary down among both, since a previous poll last October.

But the more interesting part here is that in as far as the lop-sided numbers indicate a problem for Obama, it turns out that it's actually much more a gender problem than a race problem. Because among white men, Obama wholly matches up against Hillary. They both get some 30% of the preferences.

(So does Edwards, and one can wonder whether some of his voters are white men who dont want to vote for either a black person or a woman - and where they will go if Edwards drops out. Which of the two disinclinations would be stronger?)

But among white women, it's a different story. Here, Clinton leads Obama by a whopping 33 points. She gets 54% of their preferences; he gets just 21%. Even among black women, Obama's performance is comparatively stunted. While he leads Hillary by an amazing 53 points among black men, he only leads by 11 among black women.

Women have more of a problem with Obama than blacks have with Hillary?

The instant interpretation here would seem to be that Hillary simply naturally attracts a lot of women votes by virtue of identification / solidarity. But the poll provides some indications that the preference for Hillary over Obama may have as much to do with Obama as with Hillary.

First off, it asks the respondents, "Regardless of how you plan to vote, do you think Hillary Clinton understands the problems and concerns of blacks?"

Answering the question, black and white respondents are in total agreement. Yes, she does, says exactly 74% of both groups.

Despite fewer blacks answering 'yes' than in April last year, when 88% of blacks agreed, this is still pretty overwhelming agreement. In fact, Obama hardly does better, with 82% of blacks and 79% of whites saying he understands. When asked "Do you think blacks would be better off if Hillary Clinton were elected President" or Barack Obama, it's close to a tie, with 42% of blacks answering Obama and 35% answering Clinton.

But then the poll asked the respondents to say, regardless of whom they planned to vote, whether Clinton and Obama understood the problems and concerns of women. And on this count there was a big gap.

93% of all respondents said that yes, Hillary Clinton understood them - and the percentage was roughly the same among men and women, blacks and whites. But only 61% of the respondents said that Barack Obama understood, while 37% said he did not. And among women, just 54% said that he understood, and 44% that he didnt. Among white women, the numbers must have been slightly more disadvantageous still.

In short, while Obama is successfully rallying the first preference of black voters, as the top line numbers show, at the moment at least three-quarters of blacks still see Hillary as a candidate who understands their concerns as well -- so you'd think they would be happy enough with her as nominee too. (The number has fallen slightly, for sure, so any further arguments about race might hurt her on this count - but for now she seems safe.) Obama, however, has closed the gap with Hillary among (white) men, but is still miles behind among (white) women - and almost half of all women think he does not understand their problems. So he apparently faces stronger resistance among women than Hillary does among blacks (for now); and of course women are a far larger voter group. So this should probably be a red flag for the Obama campaign.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 03:34 pm
Interesting.

I'd say that, like the "unelectable" negative, that's a pretty good one to have because his record is pretty strong there. Very pro-choice, lots of early childhood and education and daycare kinds of things. When I was reading "Audacity of Hope," that's the stuff that got the strongest reaction out of me. Paid parental leave, etc., etc.

I think there might be an impression gained from coverage that would be easily enough reversed when people get to know him better.

That's something I worry about, though. He's shown in Illinois (Senate) and in Iowa (primary caucuses) that when people get to know him, they like him. All kinds of people, unlikely people. This is a big part of why I support him, that I've seen him do that so often. But I worry that as this primary season goes on he just won't be able to get the eyes and ears long enough, in the right way (face-to-face talks, or deeper policy stuff, not just soundbites) for people to get to know him in the way that has typically won them over.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 03:56 pm
What do the Nevada entrance polls show about how Hillary won?

Entrance polls vs. official results

O'Bill passed me the link to the entrance polls for the Nevada caucuses yesterday, so I was looking at those now.

To recap, the entrance polls measured the first preference of the participants of the caucus as they arrived. Whom they came in to vote for. Of course, during the caucusing process, those who had come in to support a candidate who turned out not to be viable had to regroup behind another candidate, and in turn the percentages in the official results refer to the percentage of delegates eventually accorded to each candidate in the different caucuses. So thats why the topline numbers in the entry polls are different from the official results; but they might better represent the caucusers' actual first preferences.

Unfortunately, the entry poll doesnt, for some reason, provide the top line totals, so you have to calculate those from the numbers by gender. And doing so the first thing that strikes you, as mentioned above, is that almost three out of five caucusers were women.

Anyway, I arrive at the following topline numbers: Clinton 48%, Obama 41%, Edwards 8%, Kucinich 1%, Uncommitted 2%. So that suggests that in the course of realignment, the Edwards/Kucinich/Uncommitted group dropped byabout 6-7 points, which went 2:1 to Obama (who gained 4 points) over Clinton (who gained 2).

Demographic breakdown: the differences that weren't

The interesting part in these entry polls is how the numbers break down by demographics. See my post about how they broke down for the Democrats in Iowa and (in more general terms) New Hampshire. There's something markedly different about the Nevada numbers: there's not a whole lot of variation by different constituency, period.

Support for the candidates is pretty evenly spread by income, for example, with only a slight bias towards Hillary among lower-income groups and towards Obama among higher-income groups. Same with ideology: Hillary's lead over Obama is largest among the one in five caucusers who declared themselves "very liberal", but otherwise it's all evenly spread. Urban, suburban or rural, union household or not; none of it made a lot of difference. This is starkly different from results in the other states so far, where all these distinctions showed big differences.

Demographics: The differences that did add up

There are a few differences that stand out though. Gender, for example, but specifically the intersection between gender and race - just like it was outlined in that CNN poll I posted above. Among women overall, Clinton led Obama by 13; among men, she trailed by 2. But the problem for Obama pops up more starkly when you introduce race: among white women, Clinton led by 24 - 55% against 31% for Obama.

Among white men, Clinton led by 6. This kind of thing is important to remember if someone points out that Obama lost the white vote in Nevada by 18 points; his disadvantage among white men seems wholly overcomeable; it's white women, specifically, who pose the problem.

Age also keeps playing an important role, with the numbers for Hillary and Obama again mirroring each other almost perfectly. Obama's score went up to 59% among 18-29 year olds, and down to 31% among 65+ers; vice versa, Clinton's score was as low as 33% among the youth, but went up to 60% among those over 65.

Latinos went for Clinton over Obama by a massive 64% to 24%. She also won the small Jewish vote with a 42 point margin.

I already mentioned the role of the debate: two thirds of the caucusers said it had been very or somewhat important, and among those, Hillary led Obama by 12 points. Whereas among the quarter of the caucusers who said it hadnt been too important, Obama led by 7. Did Obama really do so badly in the debate?

On a related count, the timing of when the caucusers made up their mind seems important. Obama easily led Hillary among those who made up their mind last month or last week. Hillary's victory on the other hand depended on two opposite groups: 1) those who made up their mind before last month already and didnt waver - about half of the electorate, among whom she led Obama by a whopping 25 points; 2) those who only made up their mind on the day of the caucus - about one tenth of the electorate, who went for Hillary over Obama by 48% to 36%.

Other tidbits: Clinton easily defeated Obama among those citing the economy or health care as their priority, by 9 and 12 points respectively; Obama edged out Hillary among those citing Iraq. That should be bad news for Obama. Clinton won by 12 points among Democrats; Obama won by 14 points among Indies. Obama won massively among those most looking for a candidate who "can bring change", but was equally massively defeated among those looking for experience. He also was edged out by 7 points among those looking for a candidate who "cares about people". Intriguingly, Obama held his own against Hillary among Protestant caucusers (45/46), but trailed Clinton by 27 points among Catholics (what's up with that?). Obama won Reno by 14; Hillary won Vegas by 14.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2008 07:34 pm
On the shenanigans in Nevada...

sozobe wrote:
The 11:30 thing seems to be a common thread. But I dunno.


Marc Ambinder has more:

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Obama: Clinton Won Dirty.... Clinton Campaign: Obama Lost Dirty

One thing is clear: Nevada has to figure out how to do a better job next time.

Barack Obama's campaign is accusing Hillary Clinton's of deliberately violating caucus laws to prevent late-arriving Obama voters from participating.

Obama's campaign counsel, Bob Bauer, said: ""There was a clear disenfranchising effect. We want a full review of this."

He said the campaign received more than 300 complaints from folks who were not allowed into caucus sessions even though they had been in line to register by 11:30, the stated time. The campaign obtained what it said was a copy of Hillary Clinton's caucus manual and what it said were misleading instructions to caucus chairs.

Here's the page from the Clinton caucus guide.

One entry says: "11:30: Deadline for registering (or standing in line to register) to participate in the Caucus. And then: "11:30: Caucus chair closes door."

Nevada Democratic Party rules say: "In order to participate in the Nevada State Democratic Party Caucuses, attendees MUST be in line, or signed in, by noon. At noon, Presidential Preference Cards should be given to any person in line, and after that point, no Presidential Preference Cards should be given to any new arrivals, as they will not be allowed to caucus."

Clinton's campaign just held a conference call alleging that Obama precinct captains engaged in the same type of shenanigans. "As a result, many of our supporters were harassed and intimidated when they tried to register at the caucus," said Robbie Mook, Clinton's Nevada state director.

Mook said the team had discovered "numerous instances of miscounting" to Obama's benefit.

Clinton senior adviser David Barnhart said he was at the Mirage at-large caucus heart and "witnessed...voter intimidation." He said that many union workers told him that they would not be given permission to take a break from their jobs and caucus unless they voted for Obama. He said one woman was told by supervisor that she would not be given preferential shifts unless she voted for Obama.

Barnhart said that before the caucus began, Obama's team formed a "gauntlet" and tried to "intimidate" voters as they entered the caucus room.

Mook said the Obama campaign's allegations were "completely false, and frankly, pretty desperate."
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