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okie
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 05:25 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Apparently people are falling for sob stories these days.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 05:38 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Apparently people are falling for sob stories these days.



Indeed.

okie
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 05:52 pm
@Butrflynet,
Interesting you call that a sob story, butrfly? I find the video uplifting, an inspiring little clip, which is in sharp contrast with Obama concentrating on peoples sob stories. I respect McCain for his sacrifice. I believe that is what all of us need to think about, what we can do, what we can sacrifice in terms of what we want to achieve instead of asking for a handout, such as what the country can do for us. I thought achievement, personal responsibility, hard work, and sacrifice, that was what this country was about, but I guess I am old fashioned.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 07:00 pm
@okie,
You sure are. It's about skiving, passing the buck and self-indulgence now. All covered up with sweet and easy assertions.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 07:14 pm
@spendius,
Spendius, please explain. I have noticed your posts from time to time, but largely your comments have been pretty mysterious or conflicted, or perhaps I haven't figured you out yet. I've noticed some people accuse you of being drunk from time to time. What do you have to offer in terms of explaining yourself? Do you stand for anything, or can you explain where you are coming from? I'm trying not to be sarcastic, honest, but your posts seem sort of a very mixed bag, and about as clear as mud.

Please don't try to be intellectual with your answer. Straight talk works better.
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 07:30 pm
Two polling updates on one day seems a bit much, but nevertheless, polls in Pennsylvania deserved a closer look, so here's another one of mine on Observationalism:

Polls dramatically tightening in Pennsylvania, but does it matter?
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 08:34 pm
@okie,
I guess Spendius left. If you answer, Spendius, I will try to notice later. Gotta go.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 11:17 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Interesting you call that a sob story, butrfly? I find the video uplifting, an inspiring little clip, which is in sharp contrast with Obama concentrating on peoples sob stories. I respect McCain for his sacrifice. I believe that is what all of us need to think about, what we can do, what we can sacrifice in terms of what we want to achieve instead of asking for a handout, such as what the country can do for us. I thought achievement, personal responsibility, hard work, and sacrifice, that was what this country was about, but I guess I am old fashioned.


I think you just illustrated butterflynet's point okie. Both Obama and McCain use emotional language in their ads etc. The fact that you damn Obama's but seem to love McCain's just shows that the only distinction is your bias. Nothing more.

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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:27 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Please don't try to be intellectual with your answer. Straight talk works better.


Straight talk is what intellectual means okie.

Quote:
I've noticed some people accuse you of being drunk from time to time. What do you have to offer in terms of explaining yourself?


It has nothing to do with me what people accuse me of. They are just stuck for words I presume. They seem to think that their accusation renders my posts meaningless. It must comfort them.

It's just been announced that our PM has persuaded the oil rich states to contribute more to the IMF bail-out. That will come at a price. They don't do "nice guy". Looked at straight it means that the cause of the need to get the money off them has passed them a larger portion of power than they had.

I assume you can work that out for yourself.

okie
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 08:21 pm
@spendius,
You are still clear as mud. Perhaps that is the way you like it? I won't try to push you out of your comfort zone, whatever it may be.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 03:36 pm
I just posted a related discussion HERE
Prediction map program on CNN. Let's see who gets it the closest!
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 04:17 pm
@fbaezer,
fbaezer wrote:

Actually, my forecast (and I did not fail a state during the primaries), as for today is:
Obama wins Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada.
The battle will be very close in Florida, Ohio and North Carolina.
Missouri & Indiana will end up in McCain's account.
Pennsylvania will be blue, but surprinsingly close.

That would leave Obama with 294, McCain with 185 electoral votes.

If you want to push me even harder, I'll say Obama will win Florida and Ohio. McCain will keep North Carolina.

And that'd be... lemme see...: Obama 338, McCain 200 votes.



I stand by my October 29th predictions.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 05:10 pm
@nimh,
I still stand by mine from the 29th Very Happy

nimh wrote:

In fact, who's in for a bold and reckless prediction?

I'm going to boldly and recklessly make one, at least a rough ballpark type one... I think Obama's going to get somewhere between 305 and 325 Electoral Votes, and McCain somewhere between 210 and 235 EVs.

That involves McCain winning all the contested Southern states except Virginia: I think he'll end up getting FL, NC, and MO. And possibly IN and NV too. But it wont be enough.

I would even not be particularly surprised if McCain outdoes my prediction and wins Ohio as well. That would switch the result from 306-232 to 286-252 - and still not be enough.

Best-case scenario, on the other hand, way I see it, is Obama winning not just IA, NM, CO and VA, and those seem pretty safe right now, as well as OH, but also IN, NV and possibly even ND -- ie, 325-213.

I dont see Obama getting more than that, really - I think it's going to be enough tighter than the polls now suggest to put FL, MO and NC out of reach, and make current talk about states as far-fetched as MT and GA seem silly in retrospect.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 07:00 pm
@nimh,
It is sure to be a good programme tomorrow night. I predict that. If the actuaries have got it right it should be a draw.

The Times has a banner "AMERICA DECIDES" in tomorrow's edition. On either side of the page, Obama on the left, the candidates were shown in a typical posture in jet black silhouette. Like in suspense movies.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 08:38 pm
My last daily tracking polls update is up on Observationalism:

Daily tracking polls update: Steady as she goes edition
okie
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 09:03 pm
@nimh,
I am pinning my hopes on the undecideds, and the hope that the polls are mostly skewed. Judging from my personal experience, everyone I know lets their answering machines pick up, and then they delete all the pollsters and political pep talks delivered. So I am wondering how many people have to be called in order to get a statistical sample? Does the sampling even represent 50%, 30%, or 10% of all the people called, and of the people that don't answer the pollsters, what would their mindset tend to translate into - in terms of party affiliation or political preference? Would Obama voters tend to be more vocal, etc. etc. etc.?

So, I think the risk of polling being outright wrong, or at least skewed considerably, may be higher this election cycle? I could be totally wrong.

The other factor, election fraud, who really knows, and the lawyers are lining up. The election process has been really corrupted, and one of the big reasons is early voting. Early voting should be eliminated, except for legitimate absentee balloting. Regardless of party affiliation, it looks like we could all agree on conducting a good and tight election, honest, but sadly that does not seem to be the case even. No shame on the part of some people.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 09:21 pm
@okie,
When Obama has 51%, the what do you think will happen if all the undecided to to McCain?


Rolling Eyes

Yeah, we are seeing the voter suppression efforts of the GOP now. Much of it illegal. Robocalls and flyers telling people the wrong voting information.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 09:31 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
The other factor, election fraud, who really knows, and the lawyers are lining up. The election process has been really corrupted [..]. No shame on the part of some people.

You're right about that. I was just reading about how pro-McCain people are calling people in Democratic-leaning areas to warn them about how long the lines for voting will be, and telling them that they can vote telephonically by pressing a number on their phone instead.
nimh
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 10:49 am
Posted this on Observationalism just now:

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Obama’s polling compared to Kerry’s, Gore’s and Clinton’s - final day update

Observationalism
4 November

My comparison from a week and a half ago of how Obama’s polling numbers match up with Kerry’s polling in 2004, Gore’s in 2000 and Clinton’s in 1996 has surprisingly become the most visited page on this blog since. Considering the interest, I thought it would be good to provide a last-day update on how the comparison is shaping up at the end of the campaign.

There are four daily tracking polls this year that also conducted daily tracking polls in either 2000 or 2004 or both. The comparison between the races shapes up differently depending on which pollster’s numbers you look at. The best known is Gallup, and this graph compares Obama’s performance versus McCain in the Gallup poll with Kerry’s, Gore’s and Clinton’s performance against their Republican opponents:

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3977/gallup1996200020042008bw5.png

Looking good indeed; the 11-point lead Gallup showed for Obama in its final presidential estimate last night is on par with its election-day polling lead for Bill Clinton in ‘96. While Clinton’s ample lead gradually eroded over the course of the last two weeks of campaigning, Obama’s held steady. Quite the difference with the nailbiters the last Gallup polls out predicted for the 2000 and 2004 races.

TIPP is a polling firm you may not have heard of; it has conducted a daily tracking poll for the Investors Business Daily this year, and for IBD and the Christian Science Monitor in earlier years. Of the seven tracking polls that were conducted on a daily basis in the last two weeks, this poll has tended to show the smallest Obama leads of all. When McCain’s chief strategist Steve Schmidt asserted, two weeks ago, that “the McCain campaign is roughly in the position where Vice President Gore was running against President Bush,” the TIPP poll was the only poll that confirmed his assertion.

Today, however, brings good news for Obama supporters: after oscillating between a 1-point and 5-point lead for Obama for two weeks, TIPP published a final estimate last night that had Obama leading by 7.2%. And that makes the comparison over the years look like this:

Read on...
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 11:08 am
Just in case this needs to be repeated:

Ten Reasons Why You Should Ignore the Exit Polls At All Costs
 

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