Pro Gun arguments go something like this :

anton bonnier wrote:

Can't wait till all the kids in school have guns.

We did when I was a kid ( age 8 ) in Arizona.
We never had any trouble.

Many schools across America had competitive gunnery teams
at the instance of US Director of Civilian Marksmanship,
since around the First World War.

David

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The safe and responsible use of weapons
shud be taught in school at as early an age as practicable.

David

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The safets and most responsible use of a weapon is simple, and it reads like this: Leave your gun at home when you go out!

You might not believe me, but then you're part of the problem. If you'd just leave your gun at home, and the other guy who doesn't believe me did the same, you could meet, argue, and still both of you would wake up tomorrow. No harm done. But then, there'd still be two of you gun crazed maniacs roaming this planet.

Maybe you should just all shoot eachother.

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I do not understand the intensity of many Lefties in wanting to ban guns. It's almost to a religious fervor.

I understand that people are killed by guns. People are also killed by drunk drivers, but I don't see any threads posted demanding a return to prohibition. AIDs kills people, but I don't see any threads demanding that HIV infected people be quarantined. It's only the rights of gun owners that Lefties have the need to violate.

Why is this? Why are gun owners singled out?

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Cyracuz wrote:

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The safets and most responsible use of a weapon is simple,
and it reads like this: Leave your gun at home when you go out!

The same as u shud leave your spare tire at home,
in case u get a flat.
In essence, u say that guns shud be thrown in the garbage,
forgotten and that we shud take whatever punishment
criminals, in their discretion, wish to inflict on us.

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You might not believe me, but then you're part of the problem.

Yeah, from the politically correct perspective.

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If you'd just leave your gun at home, and the other guy who doesn't believe me did the same,

the predatory criminal

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you could meet, argue, and still both of you would wake up tomorrow.
No harm done. But then, there'd still be two of you gun crazed maniacs roaming this planet.

No kidding, violent criminals LOVE your victim disarmament position.

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Maybe you should just all shoot eachother.

Mindless, politically correct hysteria; no sale !

David

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Jim wrote:

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I do not understand the intensity of many Lefties in wanting to ban guns.

Thay believe that all problems can be ended by reducing personal freedom.
If there is a problem: put another iron chain on the citizens.
When there r so many chains on the citizens
that thay can no longer move, then all problems will be ended.

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It's almost to a religious fervor.

True.
I believe that it comes from a wish
to return to the unlimited monarchy of mom & dad, in childhood.
Being " good " is defined as OBEDIENCE,
rather than self reliance and independent thought & action.

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I understand that people are killed by guns.
People are also killed by drunk drivers, but I don't see any threads posted
demanding a return to prohibition. AIDs kills people, but I don't see any threads
demanding that HIV infected people be quarantined.
It's only the rights of gun owners that Lefties have the need to violate.

Why is this? Why are gun owners singled out?

Guns symbolize radical self reliance, INDIVIDUALISM,
rather than dependence upon the collective, represented by its henchman: government.

The suppressionists desire government supervision & control
fromt the cradle to the grave.

David

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I understand that people are killed by guns. People are also killed by drunk drivers,

Hi Jim

There's a world of difference between the two examples. One is a tool of necessity for todays lifestyle, and the other is a tool made for the sole purpose of killing.

One people die by accident, the other people die by through intent to kill(this is of course generalised).

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The term "mindnumbing fear" comes to mind.

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I personally am afraid of heights and circular saws, however, I don't suggest we ban ladders and saws.

A gun is a tool.

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If a gun is a tool, what precisely can you do with it?

Ladders can be used for many constructive purposes, same as saws of any kind. Is the same true of a gun?

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How thick are you?

I use my guns to take wild game as food. I also use them to trim trees, and rid my property of varmints. I use them as protection. They are a very useful tool.

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Unles you live in a third world country, you don't need to hunt for food. You hunt for the sport is what I think.

And you use guns to trim trees? That's just weird.

As for clearing your property of varmints, a few dogs can do that job for you easier than any gun.

I think you just get off on shooting stuff.

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vikorr wrote:

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I understand that people are killed by guns. People are also killed by drunk drivers,

Hi Jim

There's a world of difference between the two examples. One is a tool of necessity for todays lifestyle, and the other is a tool made for the sole purpose of killing.

One people die by accident, the other people die by through intent to kill(this is of course generalised).

Vikorr - I could not disagree more. There is absolutely no benefit to society from drunk driving. Just like there is also no benefit to society from smoking tobacco, and there is no benefit to society to spreading the AIDS virus. But none of you Lefties have the religious fervor to stop these activities. It is only banning firearms you have the jihad zeal to accomplish.

Why?

I also disagree with your belief that gun ownership is of no benefit to society. But more than that, as a free man, gun ownership is a RIGHT that I choose to exercise.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Unles you live in a third world country, you don't need to hunt for food.
You hunt for the sport is what I think.

And you use guns to trim trees? That's just weird.

As for clearing your property of varmints, a few dogs can do that job for you easier than any gun.

I think you just get off on shooting stuff.

We NEED government to obey constitutional limitations.
The Bill of Rights explicitly denies government jurisdiction to control guns.
David

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Obviously you've never seen me trim trees. It's quite entertaining, I promise you! Smile

Took down a leaning, dangerous dead white pine (actually two of them) using my shotgun last year. No way was I getting anywhere near them with a saw - they were broken off by wind up about 10' up and leaning against an oak, and I really didn't want them to fall on anyone. The Sweet 16 did a fine job from 20' away at removing the problem.

With that shotgun and an old .22 that shoots tacks at 100-yards I do a fine job of maintaining my river view at my cabin, a job that would be dangerous and next to impossible otherwise.

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I think you just get off on shooting stuff.

Getting them to admit this as a driving impetus would be the start of a much more honest discussion.

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Entertaining? That I can believe.

Like I've said earlier, I realize how guns can be good to have when you live far away from people, or in areas where the population is not so dense.

What I don't get are the people who live in the big cities who whine about needing guns to protect them from all the dangerous criminals. The way I see it, if someone breaks into your home and you're inclined to start a firefight with them, you are every bit as dangerous as they are, and to the innocent bystander who takes a stray bullet it doesn't matter wether it was from the criminal's gun or your own self-righteous barrel.

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snood wrote:

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I think you just get off on shooting stuff.

Getting them to admit this as a driving impetus would be the start of a much more honest discussion.

Gunnery practice can be fun;
( but its not limited to that ).

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Two feets they come a creepin
Like a black cat do
And two bodies are lyin naked
Creeper think he got nothin to lose
So he creeps into this house, yeah
And unlocks the door
And while a man reaching for his trousers
Shoots him full of .38 holes

(chorus)
Its a saturday night special
Got a barrel thats blue and cold
Aint no good for nothin
But put a man six feet in a hole

Big jims been drinkin whiskey
And playing poker on a losin night
Pretty soon, big jim starts a thinkin
Somebody been cheatin and lyin
So big jim commences to fightin
I wouldnt tell you no lie
And big jim done grab his pistol
Shot his friend right between the eyes

(chorus)

Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

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Vikorr - I could not disagree more. There is absolutely no benefit to society from drunk driving.

Jim, I responded to the proper comparative - that is : "people are killed by guns, just like they are killed by cars."

In relation to drunk driving, we have no disagreement here.

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But none of you Lefties have the religious fervor...

Generalised, but as you are specifically replying to my post - I find it fascinating that you apparently believe I display religious fervour, while at the same time, you are the only one feeling the need to resorts to displays of name calling and negative labeling. It makes little sense to me.

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It is only banning firearms you have the jihad zeal to accomplish.

Do you seriously think that people only ever form just one dear belief that conflicts with other peoples beliefs? I find this view rather surprising.

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I also disagree with your belief that gun ownership is of no benefit to society.

I think they have specific benefits is more accurate, but coupled with attendant problems. You are welcome to disagree with my views.

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But more than that, as a free man, gun ownership is a RIGHT that I choose to exercise.

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