nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

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the other half doesn't make any sense. when you create an artificial lower class based on racism and confiscate all their wealth, leaving them poor and making other people rich, that's not socialism, that's capitalism.

so technically they should be called "nacis."

but don't take my word for it, here's what wikiknowitall says:

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Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, [replace with "congress" and "senate" -tg] ethnic nationalism, [just the good ol' boys, please -tg] racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism, [that would never happen here -tg] [of course, "liberalism" means different things regionally - tg] [8] a racially-defined and conspiratorial view of finance capitalism,[9] anti-communism, [pinkos! -tg] and totalitarianism.

banned in germany, nazism exists primarily in the united states and in the less fortunate, more idiotic regions of the united kingdom.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

tinygiraffe wrote:

in the less fortunate, more idiotic regions of the united kingdom.

You mean England, where they wave that stupid red and white flag about because they have so much to prove?

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That's first fifth, not first half.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

tinygiraffe wrote:

the other half doesn't make any sense. when you create an artificial lower class based on racism and confiscate all their wealth, leaving them poor and making other people rich, that's not socialism, that's capitalism.

so technically they should be called "nacis."

Everyone who reads this is now dumber for it. Thanks a lot.

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Actually, "national" is the first half (or fifth, as Jim correctly points out) of "National Socialist German Workers Party," which is how to correctly translate Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

joefromchicago wrote:

Everyone who reads this is now dumber for it. Thanks a lot.

nah, i'm sure you're immune to being dumber. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2gs-NUtc&NR=1

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

tinygiraffe wrote:

the other half doesn't make any sense. when you create an artificial lower class based on racism and confiscate all their wealth, leaving them poor and making other people rich, that's not socialism, that's capitalism.

That's theft. It has nothing to do with capitalism.

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Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, [replace with "congress" and "senate" -tg]

And replace with Politburo and Central Committee.

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ethnic nationalism, [just the good ol' boys, please -tg]

Why do the Russians call World War II the Great Patriotic War?

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racism,

Ever heard of progroms?

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collectivism,

The antithesis of capitalism, which is where you started your post.

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eugenics,

or Lysenkoism.

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antisemitism,

Again the progroms.

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opposition to economic liberalism

Which is? I doubt that it is compatible with capitalism.

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and political liberalism,[/b]

You mean what they had in the U.S.S.R.?

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[that would never happen here -tg]

Anyone who thinks Nazism could never have happened in Germany is a fool.

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[of course, "liberalism" means different things regionally - tg] [8]

Yea, over here it means pinko.

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a racially-defined and conspiratorial view of finance capitalism,[9]

Or no finance capitalism at all as in the U.S.S.R.

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anti-communism,

As opposed to what? Anti-capitalism that was found in the U.S.S.R.?

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totalitarianism.

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U.S.S.R.
People's Republic of China
Fidel's Cuba
North Korea
Vietnam

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banned in germany,

Banned in Germany doesn't mean non-existent in Germany. The fact that the Germans don't trust themselves to have freedom of speech, press, assembly show how unfit Germans are for democracy.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

flaja wrote:

Banned in Germany doesn't mean non-existent in Germany. The fact that the Germans don't trust themselves to have freedom of speech, press, assembly show how unfit Germans are for democracy.

Don't get too stupid.

Perhaps read a book. About e.g. the history of Germany, the history of German constitutions, constitutional right in Germany .... or just the German Basic Law.

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Surely you don't suggest that Herr Flaja actually inform himself before shooting off his mouth ? ! ? ! ?

The nerve of you, Walter, how could you ? ! ? ! ?

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Well, he's a scientist, got 40 credit points in history, and ancestors from Germany.

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See, there ya go . . . he don't need to read no steenking books . . .

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Oh, I shot myself in the foot Embarrassed

:wink:

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

flaja wrote:

The fact that the Germans don't trust themselves to have freedom of speech, press, assembly show how unfit Germans are for democracy.

Gosh.

He really wrote that.

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To quote Jimmy Durante:

What a revoltin' development . . .

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

Walter Hinteler wrote:

flaja wrote:

Banned in Germany doesn't mean non-existent in Germany. The fact that the Germans don't trust themselves to have freedom of speech, press, assembly show how unfit Germans are for democracy.

Don't get too stupid.

Perhaps read a book. About e.g. the history of Germany, the history of German constitutions, constitutional right in Germany .... or just the German Basic Law.

And they'd all lead to the same conclusion: Germany does not uphold its citizens' freedom of speech because it legally bans certain ideas.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

flaja wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
flaja wrote:

Banned in Germany doesn't mean non-existent in Germany. The fact that the Germans don't trust themselves to have freedom of speech, press, assembly show how unfit Germans are for democracy.

Don't get too stupid.

Perhaps read a book. About e.g. the history of Germany, the history of German constitutions, constitutional right in Germany .... or just the German Basic Law.

And they'd all lead to the same conclusion: Germany does not uphold its citizens' freedom of speech because it legally bans certain ideas.

Much as I hate to say it, flaja is right...to a degree.
If Grmany truly respected the right to free speech,the swastika and other symbols of Naziism would not be illegal.
While I understand and share the Germans revulsion to the swastika, to me it seems as if the German govt doesnt trust its own people to know how evil that period was and to know on there on not to try to display the swastika.

http://www.wisegeek.com/is-it-really-illegal-to-display-the-swastika-symbol-in-germany.htm

Also the german govt banned anyone owning a copy of "Mein Kampf".
So, you could say that some forms of free speech are banned in Germany.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

mysteryman wrote:

flaja wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
flaja wrote:

Banned in Germany doesn't mean non-existent in Germany. The fact that the Germans don't trust themselves to have freedom of speech, press, assembly show how unfit Germans are for democracy.

Don't get too stupid.

Perhaps read a book. About e.g. the history of Germany, the history of German constitutions, constitutional right in Germany .... or just the German Basic Law.

And they'd all lead to the same conclusion: Germany does not uphold its citizens' freedom of speech because it legally bans certain ideas.

Much as I hate to say it, flaja is right...to a degree.
If Grmany truly respected the right to free speech,the swastika and other symbols of Naziism would not be illegal.
While I understand and share the Germans revulsion to the swastika, to me it seems as if the German govt doesnt trust its own people to know how evil that period was and to know on there on not to try to display the swastika.

http://www.wisegeek.com/is-it-really-illegal-to-display-the-swastika-symbol-in-germany.htm

Also the german govt banned anyone owning a copy of "Mein Kampf".
So, you could say that some forms of free speech are banned in Germany.

If Germans were truly a democratic people something like the Reichstag Fire Decree would have been impossible. It is true that in the U.S. the privilege of habeas corpus can be suspended during times of invasion or rebellion for the sake of public safety, but any restrictions on speech or the press for any reason are quickly questioned by the public, and if people of a certain political faction were to go missing in the night the rest of us would surely protest. The Germans simply submitted.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

mysteryman wrote:

Much as I hate to say it, flaja is right...to a degree.
If Grmany truly respected the right to free speech,the swastika and other symbols of Naziism would not be illegal.
While I understand and share the Germans revulsion to the swastika, to me it seems as if the German govt doesnt trust its own people to know how evil that period was and to know on there on not to try to display the swastika.

http://www.wisegeek.com/is-it-really-illegal-to-display-the-swastika-symbol-in-germany.htm

Also the german govt banned anyone owning a copy of "Mein Kampf".
So, you could say that some forms of free speech are banned in Germany.

You all seem to know more about German law and our constitution than e.g. people like old europe and I do - and we both studied that at university.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

flaja wrote:

If Germans were truly a democratic people something like the Reichstag Fire Decree would have been impossible.

Well, you may have missed that: between 1933 and the founding of the Federal Repulic was the Nazi regimes and WWII.

Our Basic Law came into effect in 1949.

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Re: nationalism is the first half of "nazi"

mysteryman wrote:

Much as I hate to say it, flaja is right...to a degree.
If Grmany truly respected the right to free speech,the swastika and other symbols of Naziism would not be illegal.
While I understand and share the Germans revulsion to the swastika, to me it seems as if the German govt doesnt trust its own people to know how evil that period was and to know on there on not to try to display the swastika.

http://www.wisegeek.com/is-it-really-illegal-to-display-the-swastika-symbol-in-germany.htm

Also the german govt banned anyone owning a copy of "Mein Kampf".
So, you could say that some forms of free speech are banned in Germany.

That's so baloney! Tell me MM, why is it then considered a hate crime
and illegal in the United States if you have a noose on public display?

Why is the distribution of neo-nazi paraphernelia prohibited in the US? Why are neo-nazi internet sites banned in the US?

Could it be that they're all considered part of a hate crime? It could,
coudn't it, if you think long and hard about it, no?

As for flaja: go back to school and pay attention to your teachers,
and I mean really attention. The rubbish you're bubbling around here,
isn't get you anywhere.

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