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Millions of Americans are delusional to the extreme,

 
 
Gargamel
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:29 am
Ramafuchs wrote:
To find a befitting article to upholcd one's critical view is an arduous task.
Because one has to think deeply before highlighing the point in a picturesque
language.

To select a topic one has to read a lot which is also not an easy job.
Thanks


I agree with you and appreciate the care into the articles you present. However, these items address a multitude of complex issues, and I wonder if, as progenitor of this thread, you could direct discussion by elaborating on an idea or two, if only to narrow the topic?
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:32 am
blueflame1 wrote:
You guys are what's boring. Why come here if you cant handle the truth in the articles posted. They're informative and well worth discussing. But rather than address the substance you whine about their very posting. If you did discuss the substance I'm sure you'd be answered intelligently which is the point of cutting and pasting in the first place. "Massive debt, much of it in the hands of the Chinese, keeps piling up as we fund absurd imperial projects and useless foreign wars. Democratic freedoms are diminished in the name of national security. And the erosion of basic services, from education to health care to public housing, has left tens of millions of citizens in despair. The displacement of genuine debate and civil and political discourse with the noise and glitter of public spectacle and entertainment has left us ignorant of the outside world, and blind to how it perceives us. We are fed trivia and celebrity gossip in place of news." That's a paragraph worth discussing. Agree with it or disagree with it it presents food for thought besides being the an accurate analysis of America in 2007.


Why not take your own advice, instead of hooting from the sidelines? You, who clearly are the only member of this site with the fortitude to "handle the truth," whatever that means.

War, democracy, lack of funding for social services, the media--all I see are blanket statements I've heard a million times. Where would I begin?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:36 am
Gargamel
Accept my thanks for your views.
In this thread i had tried my level best to convince the participants of this forum that all is not rosy as we all wish to dream.
There are some critical Americans who place my views in better English.
Thanks
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:44 am
Gargamel, lots of places to begin. Just complaining about cutting and pasting well written articles seems a waste of time. Why bother when this forum has so many other threads to take part in. I visit Rama's threads because of the articles. And just to let Rama know someone appreciates his efforts. I've met many a brilliant writer that way.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:46 am
Naomi Wolf: America's Fascist Coup Owes Legacy To Bush's Nazi Grandfather
Author of "10 steps" speaks publicly for the first time about origins of modern-day tyranny
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, November 29, 2007

Author Naomi Wolf, who made headlines earlier this year after she identified the ten steps to fascism that were being followed to a tee by the Bush administration, spoke publicly for the first time yesterday about the origins of what we see unfolding today, Prescott Bush's attempt to launch a Nazi coup in 1930's America.

Speaking on the Alex Jones Show, Wolf said that she was first alerted to begin researching America's slide into fascism when her friend, the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, warned her that the same events that laid the foundations for the rise of the Third Reich in early 1930's Germany, when it was still a Parliamentary democracy, were being mirrored in modern-day America.

"A small group of people began very systematically to use the law and dismantle the Constitution and put pressure on citizens to subvert the law - and that opened the door for everything that followed," said Wolf.

"When I started reading, not only are tactics and strategy being reproduced exactly right now by the Bush administration - but actual sound bytes and language and images and scenarios are being reproduced," she added.

Wolf's essay, Fascist America, In 10 Easy Steps, has received plaudits for how it succinctly describes the ways in which dictatorships the world over throughout the 20th century have evolved by following the exact same blueprint for tyranny that we see unfolding in America today.

"Everybody that wants to close down a Democracy does the exact same ten things, the same classic steps and unfortunately we're starting to see these ten steps being put in place in the United States," said Wolf.

For the first time publicly, Wolf traced the origins of contemporary developments back to President Bush's Nazi grandfather, Prescott Bush, and his plan to launch a fascist coup in the 1930's.

"There was a scheme in the 30's and Prescott Bush was one of the leaders of this scheme, an industrialist who admired fascism and thought that was a good idea - to have a coup in the United States along the lines of the coup they saw taking place in Italy and Germany," said Wolf, referring to the testimony of Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler, who was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush - the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

A recent BBC radio report confirmed that there was an attempted coup led by Prescott Bush.

"Smedley Butler had been involved with violent regime change throughout his career, but he was approached by these conspirators, including Prescott Bush, and he outed them and he testified to Congress that they were planning a coup in the United States - it's in the Congressional record," said Wolf, adding that the coup was being bankrolled by German industrialist and one of Hitler's chief financiers Fritz Thyssen.

"What is amazing to me and resonant to me is that when the Nuremberg trials were finally put in place, these Nazi industrialists, some of whom had colluded with Americans including IBM, were about to be brought to trial and sent to prison - there was a moment at which they were going to look into turning the spotlight on their American partners," said Wolf.

The author added that laws such as the Military Commissions Act of 2006 were consciously designed to protect current President Bush and his co-conspirators from being indicted for war crimes, harking back to Prescott Bush's history.

"The family history is that you can make so much money uniting corporate interests with a fascist state that violently represses people, that's why when I saw the recycling of so much Nazi language, Nazi tactics, Nazi strategies, Nazi imagery in the Bush White House and then finally belatedly people brought to me this history of Prescott Bush's attempted coup and Smedley Butler's revelations - it gives me absolute chills," said Wolf.

The fact that Bush's grandfather was a Nazi cannot be presented alone as proof that President Bush is carrying on the legacy, but his policies and rhetoric, which in her essay Wolf clearly documents are borrowed from the Nazi playbook, and in particular the recent move to smear administration critics as potential terrorists, are evidence that George W. Bush is the figurehead for a modern-day fascist coup in America led by the Neo-Cons.

Wolf concluded that history shows the only safe course for preserving freedom in such a climate is to prosecute and jail the protagonists of the coup as early as possible, a process many would argue should have been enacted several years ago.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:55 am
Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all

Common Dreams | April 24, 2007
Naomi Wolf

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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 06:02 pm
Blueflame
As usual you follow the path to make the bitter butter better.
I mean your thought-provoking CUT AND PASTE is food for thought.
May i pay my regards and thanks for your human feelings/aspects
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 10:55 am
Looking at America
Editorial

There are too many moments these days when we cannot recognize our country. Sunday was one of them, as we read the account in The Times of how men in some of the most trusted posts in the nation plotted to cover up the torture of prisoners by Central Intelligence Agency interrogators by destroying videotapes of their sickening behavior. It was impossible to see the founding principles of the greatest democracy in the contempt these men and their bosses showed for the Constitution, the rule of law and human decency.

It was not the first time in recent years we've felt this horror, this sorrowful sense of estrangement, not nearly. This sort of lawless behavior has become standard practice since Sept. 11, 2001.

The country and much of the world was rightly and profoundly frightened by the single-minded hatred and ingenuity displayed by this new enemy. But there is no excuse for how President Bush and his advisers panicked - how they forgot that it is their responsibility to protect American lives and American ideals, that there really is no safety for Americans or their country when those ideals are sacrificed.

Out of panic and ideology, President Bush squandered America's position of moral and political leadership, swept aside international institutions and treaties, sullied America's global image, and trampled on the constitutional pillars that have supported our democracy through the most terrifying and challenging times. These policies have fed the world's anger and alienation and have not made any of us safer.

In the years since 9/11, we have seen American soldiers abuse, sexually humiliate, torment and murder prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq. A few have been punished, but their leaders have never been called to account. We have seen mercenaries gun down Iraqi civilians with no fear of prosecution. We have seen the president, sworn to defend the Constitution, turn his powers on his own citizens, authorizing the intelligence agencies to spy on Americans, wiretapping phones and intercepting international e-mail messages without a warrant.

We have read accounts of how the government's top lawyers huddled in secret after the attacks in New York and Washington and plotted ways to circumvent the Geneva Conventions - and both American and international law - to hold anyone the president chose indefinitely without charges or judicial review.

Those same lawyers then twisted other laws beyond recognition to allow Mr. Bush to turn intelligence agents into torturers, to force doctors to abdicate their professional oaths and responsibilities to prepare prisoners for abuse, and then to monitor the torment to make sure it didn't go just a bit too far and actually kill them.

The White House used the fear of terrorism and the sense of national unity to ram laws through Congress that gave law-enforcement agencies far more power than they truly needed to respond to the threat - and at the same time fulfilled the imperial fantasies of Vice President Dick Cheney and others determined to use the tragedy of 9/11 to arrogate as much power as they could.

Hundreds of men, swept up on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, were thrown into a prison in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, so that the White House could claim they were beyond the reach of American laws. Prisoners are held there with no hope of real justice, only the chance to face a kangaroo court where evidence and the names of their accusers are kept secret, and where they are not permitted to talk about the abuse they have suffered at the hands of American jailers.

In other foreign lands, the C.I.A. set up secret jails where "high-value detainees" were subjected to ever more barbaric acts, including simulated drowning. These crimes were videotaped, so that "experts" could watch them, and then the videotapes were destroyed, after consultation with the White House, in the hope that Americans would never know.

The C.I.A. contracted out its inhumanity to nations with no respect for life or law, sending prisoners - some of them innocents kidnapped on street corners and in airports - to be tortured into making false confessions, or until it was clear they had nothing to say and so were let go without any apology or hope of redress.

These are not the only shocking abuses of President Bush's two terms in office, made in the name of fighting terrorism. There is much more - so much that the next president will have a full agenda simply discovering all the wrongs that have been done and then righting them.

We can only hope that this time, unlike 2004, American voters will have the wisdom to grant the awesome powers of the presidency to someone who has the integrity, principle and decency to use them honorably. Then when we look in the mirror as a nation, we will see, once again, the reflection of the United States of America.

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/31/6098/
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 02:59 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
To find a befitting article to upholcd one's critical view is an arduous task.
Because one has to think deeply before highlighing the point in a picturesque
language.

To select a topic one has to read a lot which is also not an easy job.
Thanks

Ram, I guess the trouble I have with your postings is that you claim these postings represent your view of Americans. Yet you also proudly claim that you have never been to the US (nor would you ever want to come here) and you don't know any Americans. All of your "views" are based on a distorted caricature of the United States reinforced by the views posted on some pretty extreme web sites. That doesn't invalidate the observations in them, but it does mean that you can't put them in context. A few months back you actually posted a segregationist rant from seventy years ago claiming that it was representative of southern US thinking today! That is like using pre-WWII Nazi propaganda to describe modern Germans' thoughts on Jews. That said, I have no suggestions for you. While I would prefer that you post your own thoughts instead of endlessly browsing for a well written rant from an American, there is nothing in the forum that requires that.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 03:10 pm
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 03:12 pm
“The truth is that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hoyer and the other Democrats who lead the Congress Party in the Senate, are far too cunning. They will talk about wanting to end the war and so on, but the truth is that they know they can’t do anything about it and it suits them as they can blame the Republicans for the war in the upcoming elections. But the ugly truth is that we can’t stop the war now. We are responsible for Iraq now. We have crushed it so now we own it. I have never seen this country (America) in such a bad state. .”
“’Media-ocrity’ is what I call it. It is awful what kind of media we have today. Nobody dared to stand up and criticize Bush when he unlawfully went to war on Iraq. It is depressing, and shows what direction this country has taken since he came to power - a power which did not rightfully belong to him. The media is not playing its role.
The Bushites are bullies and for a long time nobody dared criticize them and just swallowed their propaganda and lies. People have become scared. In this kind of climate, nobody is interested in the critical voice. You ask about the role of the intellectual in America today and I have to say: What role? What intellectuals? There is no room for them in the simplified and dumbed down world of today’s media. We used to play a role, and there are still a few left, but we are a dying breed. Nobody seems to be interested in nuance anymore.”
“Democracy, whether in Sweden or the United States, depends on the voter’s capacity to think. If you have read the best of what has been thought and said, then your cognition and understanding is on a much higher level than if you have read Harry Potter or Stephen King. So what this decline into half-literature and mediocre media really means is de facto a self-destruction of democracy.”
“. I am terribly outspoken and don’t try to hide it. I care passionately and I say so.
I want quality when it comes to everything, and insist on it. I believe in the aesthetics, the beauty of good literature and I believe in wisdom.
People get angry because of that and think it is an attack on them.”

http://www.thewip.net/contributors/2008/01/according_to_harold_bloom_what.html
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 03:48 pm
(I have a problem in A2K
And that is something to do with numbers like 8217 8743 or something like that)

(I am notorious if not famous with my cut and paste retorts both in abuzz and elsewhere.)

This thread is one which expose the American unfulfilled Dreams .
Should the intellectual Americans need a change?
If yes what kind of change and why?
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