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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 12:09 am
@msolga,
Chinese hackers circulate email on how to hack film website
August 1, 2009/SMH

http://images.smh.com.au/2009/07/26/649638/Rebiya%20Kadeer-420x0.jpg
Uighur separatist leader Rebiya Kadeer speaks during an interview for Australian media in Washington on July 16, 2009. Photo: Yuri Gripas

Instructions educating Chinese citizens on how to sabotage the Melbourne International Film Festival are being circulated around the world, organisers say.

Quote:
....Hackers replaced festival information with the Chinese flag and anti-Kadeer slogans soon after the launch of the 2009 festival.

.....Festival director Richard Moore told AAP he had been alerted by a minority Chinese student living in the US that instructions on how to sabotage the festival were travelling fast.

"It's a very, very concerted and pointed attack," Mr Moore said.

"Everyone's watching this - it's totally global."

The email provides instructions for loading tickets into "shopping carts" from the festival's website, and Chinese are being urged to teach others how to "purchase" MIFF tickets online.

The circulating email reasons MIFF should be sabotaged "because the festival invited Kadeer".

Online sales represent 65 per cent of all tickets bought, Mr Moore said, with the weekend being the period of "maximum traffic".

"We knew there would be another attempt," he said. "There will be a decline in sales as a result."

Kadeer is scheduled to attend a question-and-answer session after the screening of The 10 Conditions of Love on August 8.

Security remains a priority, organisers say. "We've been in constant liaison with the police. We're monitoring it," Mr Moore said.

Film buffs can still buy tickets at the festival's box office or over the phone.

AAP


http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/chinese-hackers-circulate-email-on-how-to-hack-film-website-20090801-e4xt.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 12:50 am
Surprised I never thought the day would come when I agreed with the Mad Monk. But it was an ALP conference on Mogadon! Boring & as predictable as bat ****. The only bits of real interest & "debate" occurred when the dissenting building workers demonstrated outside the conference ... & also from the "disruptions" from gays & environmentalists.
It's not that it wasn't "all that much fun for the media", Juia, but wasn't the point of ALP conferences for delegates ( ie ordinary ALP members) to have their say on the important issues of the day? ... which inevitably involves debate. Which is a healthy thing.
Instead, we had a (super boring) Labor Government PR exercise. Apparently contentious issues were ironed out before the conference! Say nothing of the important issues which didn't get a hearing at all! So much for ALP democracy. What exactly is the point of being an ALP member if this is how decisions are made?:


Gillard, Swan defend ALP conference
August 2, 2009 - 10:44AM/Brisbane Times

Senior Labor figures have deflected criticism of the party's national conference, saying it was not staged to entertain the media.

Opposition frontbencher Tony Abbott has described the conference as being on Mogadon.

Quote:
Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan was unrepentant about the conference's stage-managed agenda which critics suggested lacked the debate and passion of previous party gatherings.

"I know there were many in the media who were looking for unconstructive brawling and pomp and ceremony and all of that," he told the Nine Network on Sunday.

"I'm sorry it wasn't entertaining enough or there wasn't enough razzle dazzle, but so be it."

Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard said the three-day conference, which ended on Saturday, showed ideas could be worked through in a mature way.

"We are a political party in government, we have accepted that responsibility and that's what you saw on show," she told ABC Television.

The conference had worked through Labor's platform on education, health, workplace relations and climate change.

"I know it wasn't all that much fun for the media, but we're not entertainers, we are a political party in government and that's what you saw." ...<cont>


http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/gillard-swan-defend-alp-conference-20090802-e5hp.html
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 01:34 am
@msolga,
Michelle Grattan on the ALP conference:

Big show of little consequence for Rudd’s political future
Michelle Grattan
July 31, 2009/the AGE


Quote:

IN WHAT is supposed to be the lowest key, most modest ALP national conference imaginable, Julia Gillard allowed herself just a note of triumphalism.

‘‘We have completed the climb from valleys of opposition to the summit of power and, delegates, doesn’t it feel good?’’ she said. Of course, she went on to warn about the responsibility that power brings, and the difficulty of the climb.

But there was a touch of what Paul Keating would have called the sweetness of victory.

Not that the 400 delegates gathered at Sydney’s Darling Harbour Convention Centre are to be allowed to revel in that sweetness. After the first of three days, it seems a fair bet that this conference is destined to be remembered for almost nothing.

It’s not an election year, and so it has no campaigning role and none of the theatrics and excitement of Kevin Rudd’s 2007 conference or Mark Latham’s 2004 one.

Rudd didn’t even make an entrance for his speech; already seated on the platform, he just got to his feet. It was a typical Rudd address, long on what had been done by this ‘‘sleeves-rolled-up’’ Government and with plenty of the now-too-familiar Rudd cliches. He linked back strongly into Labor history, with its strands of ‘‘fairness’’ and nation-building and to all the Labor heroes, and the emotive Chifley ‘‘light on the hill’’ vision.

Labor had been in government only one-third of Australia’s federal history and ‘‘our resolve from this conference should be to apply every effort, every energy and every discipline to build a long-term reformist government’’, he said.

Rudd reprised his familiar analysis of the cause of the global crisis: ‘‘This crisis has been caused by a combination of unrestrained greed, unlimited credit and unregulated markets " all cornerstones of an ideology of free-market fundamentalism promulgated by the political right over the last decade and more.

‘‘Of course, the free market fundamentalist accepts no ideological responsibility for what has occurred. Instead, governments of the responsible centre have had to step in to clean up the wreckage.’’

Rudd’s critique became a theme for the conference’s subsequent economic discussion. The result, in an almost choreographed debate, was a strange mismatch between the modernism of the Rudd Government and an ideological rhetoric that seemed to belong to another time and mainly to the left. Now it seems to have spread infectiously across the party. The stand-out example was the resolution moved by Mark Dreyfus, chairman of the national policy committee and from the right, and Doug Cameron, firebrand of the left. It declared that the conference believed the global crisis ‘‘has arisen because of the dominance of a culture of greed and short-termism that rewarded speculation over long-term investment, and enriched a few at the expense of the many. This culture was nurtured and advanced by an extreme capitalist ideology of neo-liberalism and free-market fundamentalism.’’

It went on to support the role of government and applaud the Rudd Government’s economic actions, as well as welcoming Labor taking a ‘‘leading role’’ internationally on financial issues. No wonder Cameron applauded the attack on neo-liberalism as ‘‘fantastic’’, quipping ‘‘I don’t feel alone any more’’.

In terms of specifics, the conference also had more of a leftish tinge in some of its economic resolutions and amendments than might have been expected. Its attack on excessive executive salaries was very strong and it opposed any fall in company tax revenue coming out of the Henry review of the taxation system. But Trade Minister Simon Crean headed off an amendment that could have been seen as favouring ‘‘green’’ tariffs on imports from countries that don’t bring in carbon price regimes.

Once, great significance might have been put on some of these conference decisions that got through. But they will sink into nothingness.

Why? Because what the conference decides matters hardly a whit.

A lot of work has gone into heading off a few potential embarrassments, such as over government procurement policy, but at the end of the day if anything unacceptable to the Government is passed it will simply be ignored.

Many years ago, these conferences were vitally important, on issues as central as the US alliance and uranium mining.


Now all power is in the hands of the parliamentary party, and Rudd has further strengthened the role of leader within that party. In opposition, he seized the right to appoint his frontbench (rather than just allocate portfolios) and he entrenched this right in government.

Of course, the reality is never quite as stark. Rudd is supreme now, riding at immense highs in the polls, and having reduced Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull to a sort of dead man walking.

But even now, though Rudd rejects the notion of factional balance being important to him, he still observes it and is close to factional leaders such as the NSW Right’s Mark Arbib.

If things eventually go badly, as they often do for leaders, circumstances and colleagues would bring curbs on his power.

However the Rudd story plays out in the years ahead the national conference will have little role in it or, for that matter, in the stories of future Labor leaders.

Michelle Grattan is political editor.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/big-show-of-little-consequence-for-ruddx2019s-political-future-20090730-e2xi.html?page=-1
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 04:16 pm
@msolga,
Never the less, the Mad Monk's motivation isn't at the 'death of democracy' but the lack of public division available for his party to try and distract the media from his own party's obvious divisions.

Rudd is trying to hold on to the swinging voters who want to be 'relaxed and comfortable'. Howard he manage it? (Get it? 'How would he manage it?'. Blah. monday mornings.)
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 05:38 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Never the less, the Mad Monk's motivation isn't at the 'death of democracy' but the lack of public division available for his party to try and distract the media from his own party's obvious divisions.


Ha. Not a moment's doubt about his actual motivation, hinge. But was totally in agreement with his assessment of the conference.

Quote:
Rudd is trying to hold on to the swinging voters who want to be 'relaxed and comfortable'.


I figured there must be some reason! Wink The problem is, though, he might hang on to the relaxed & comfortable folk (who probably weren't even paying attention, anyway), but in the process, lose even more of the unrelaxed & committed ALP members. The Greens will be pleased! I'm wondering though, why the likes of Hawke, Keating & Gough, even, were more respectful of party processes (though it surely must have driven them nuts at times!) & never felt the need to stifle debate & cover up perceived "divisions" within the ALP membership (& within the party bureaucracy, for that matter)?
I reckon it's because Rudd is uncomfortable with the notion of messy party democracy ... they might just make the "wrong" decisions! But me, I've always favoured bottom bottom to the top decision making (showing my age here! Smile ) as opposed as rule from the top. But concern about processes appears to be rather old hat these days, hey? Wink

Quote:
Blah. monday mornings.


Smile Ha. Join the club!
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 2 Aug, 2009 06:17 pm
@msolga,
Hi Olgs - I know where you're coming from and I'd like grass roots decision making too (as long as it's generous of spirit and has wisdom outside individual self-interest). And I agree that KR is uncomfortable with anarchy (sorry, dynamic equilibrium) of ALP policy making - he is career public servant after all, although he clearly didn't learn much about what policy on the fly does to the public service if the small area I see up close is any indication.

Sadly I don't think Australia has enough souls who think like you to ever vote in a government with a similar ethic. So while the greens might be happy, it won't mean they will get to even the 'Joschka Fischer' position in a government any time soon.

I'm not even sure the Greens have open rank and file policy discussions? Do they?

Did you hear if the last Democrat has resigned from his party? He'd said that unless the party headquarters could get a thousand more registered members he was going to resign from the party and become and independent.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 03:56 am
@hingehead,
Hi hinge
(I'm back again!)

It's more than just a preference for grassroots decision making. I worry about the future of the ALP, following the Rudd experience. All governments have a "use by" date & are eventually voted out & this current Labor government will be no different. As much as I've railed against the ALP at times, I still have an enormous respect for many ALP members .... & a fondness for what the party stood for in the past - & still stands for, I guess, for the determined stalwarts.

I worry about too much power in the hands of any one leader, in a party that was designed specifically to protect the concerns of ordinary working people - & which, quite rightly, those ordinary people had traditionally had a big say in the policies of their own party.
I look at the consequences for Labour as a result of the Blair experience in the UK .... the purging of the left from power in the party & the the leader taking on a "presidential" role. For a time Blair enjoyed the sorts of giddy poll ratings that Rudd is now experiencing here .... & the opposition parties were floundering, just as they are now in Oz. But following Blair's demise (following some very unpopular decisions on the war in Iraq) British Labour is now on the nose with the electorate & the party itself is a shadow of its former self. I don't think Blair was a "natural" Labour leader any more than I believe Rudd is. And while Rudd may, at this point in time, have appeal to the middle-ground, silent majority, I honestly don't believe that this sort of "support" is of the long lasting, committed variety. And I'm unhappy that at this support has been gained at the expense of the unity of the party that he is supposed to represent. I guess I don't see Rudd as being any more comfortable with the processes, nor the ideals, of of the party he represents than Blair was. I believe both divided their parties in pursuit of their own agendas.

Don't get me wrong. Labor in Oz certainly had to make some changes, to become more relevant to the challenges of the 21st century. But I worry that the Rudd experience may, in the long-term, undermine the credibility & the viability of the party itself.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 04:01 am
@msolga,
I've been checking out the Greens decision making processes online. Seems that "consensus" is big ( Smile ) , though I'm yet to learn how this actually happens within the party.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 04:08 am
UhOh. The big news story of the day. Sigh.:

Terrorism plot: suspects in court
Posted 5 hours 21 minutes ago
Updated 2 hours 24 minutes ago.ABC NEWS online


Five men being questioned over an alleged terrorist conspiracy had sought a religious ruling to authorise an attack in Australia, a court has heard.

Their arrests come after a seven-month counter-terrorism operation and police raids across Melbourne this morning.

It is alleged five men were planning to carry out an armed attack on the Holsworthy army base in Sydney.

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The Melbourne Magistrates Court heard some of them discussed obtaining a religious ruling from overseas or interstate in support of their alleged plans.

One of the suspects, Nayef El Sayed, 25, of Glenroy, has been charged with a terrorism-related offence.

He appeared in court today and was remanded in custody.

Federal Police also won an application to further question three other suspects who appeared in court today but have not been charged.

A fifth suspect is in custody on other matters.

Raids

About 400 law enforcement officers took part in the series of raids that led to today's arrests.

The 19 raids took place across Melbourne and regional Victoria.

Australian Federal Police Acting Chief Commissioner Tony Negus says the operation was the result of seven months' work by several agencies.

He says more arrests are possible.

"There are further inquiries being conducted both in Australia and overseas," he said.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says Australia will not be increasing its terror alert level.

But he says today's events are a strong reminder of the security threats facing the nation.

"The threat of terrorism is alive and well and this requires continued vigilance," he said.

Call for calm

Some of those arrested have a Somalian background and Islamic groups are urging people not to seek retaliation against Melbourne's African community.

Shereen Hassan, the vice-president of the Islamic Council of Victoria, says Muslims have been shocked by the raids and are calling for calm amid fears of a backlash.

"But we have faith that the overwhelming majority of Australians will not react in this way and remain calm," she said.

"[We] urge the wider community and the media to respect the privacy of the families concerned.

"The overwhelming majority of Australian Muslims unequivocally condemn all forms of terrorism."

Mohamed Baaruud from the Somalia Advocacy Action Group says the community cannot believe some Somali Australians have been implicated.

"We are all shocked," he said.

"This is the last thing we were expecting.

"Our community came to Australia about 17 years ago when the civil war started in Somalia and it took us a long time to recover from the trauma that we have experienced in our country of origin and start a new life here in Australia."

Doctor Jamal Rifi from the Lebanese Muslim Association says the authorities are to be congratulated for preventing the alleged attack.

"We'll do our best for anyone who will have any information to actually contact the relevant authority and to work cooperatively to uncover any or similar events that may take place," he said.

New South Wales Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione says authorities feared the group was planning to carry out its attack in the near future.

"It was likely imminent and that was part of the reason behind moving as we have," he said. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/04/2645762.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 06:06 am
... & now for a bit of comic relief: It wasn't that Malcolm didn't bother to get his facts straight before shooting his mouth off & making all sorts of wild accusations against Kevin Rudd. No, it was all Godwin's fault for misleading Malcolm! Got it? Wink :

Malcolm Turnbull lays blame for OzCar affair on Godwin Grech:

Quote:
“We and everyone were very gravely misled,” Mr Turnbull said this afternoon


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25881476-601,00.html
dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 07:13 am
@msolga,
"Godwin Grech."


Rawther Dickensian, or perhaps Seussesque?


He made Mal foam, he made him quvetch,
He made old Turnbull loud invetch:
"Rudd's dishonest! Rudd's a wretch!
He must not steer our national ketch!"

But then he faltered, 'gan to quail,
Empurpled features turned quite pale,
No wind to fill his falt'ring sail,
His albatross? A fake email!!!

Encalmed upon that awful sea,
The sun glares down most pitilessly
"Oh ship-mates, do not glare at me!
It's really not my fault, you see!

"It was not I the truth did stretch,
Oh do not throw me from our ketch,
The villain's quite another wretch,
Our Jonah's name is GODWIN GRECH!"


dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 07:17 am
@msolga,
It's not just before an election, so it's likely true, she said cynically.

Bugger.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 07:19 am
@dlowan,

Laughing

Wonderful!

Love it, Deb!




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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 07:31 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
It's not just before an election, so it's likely true, she said cynically.

Bugger.



Could be!



A while earlier tonight, I was reading "the Hun" (Melbourne's other newspaper - the Herald Sun) online. Tabloid. What a miserable experience, reading reader's responses to this story! This is going to set a lot of innocent African & Middle Eastern refugees in our community right back. I feel rather depressed by it all. Sad
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 07:53 am
@msolga,
BTW, a number of the homes of the "terrorists" that were raided by the police were in very familiar territory for me. A very near, neighbouring suburb to mine, all along the route I drive to work.. & in the actual suburb I work in. One of the students was telling us in class today about the high drama in his own residential street. This has frightened a lot of people.
dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 10:15 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

BTW, a number of the homes of the "terrorists" that were raided by the police were in very familiar territory for me. A very near, neighbouring suburb to mine, all along the route I drive to work.. & in the actual suburb I work in. One of the students was telling us in class today about the high drama in his own residential street. This has frightened a lot of people.


It'd scare the bejesus out of me.

What the hell have we done to the Somalians?


Allied ourselves with the American infidel devils, I suppose?


Or is just being infidel enough?


msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 06:04 pm
@dlowan,
Well, I wouldn't pretend to be an expert on Somalian refugees, Deb (& also keeping in mind that so far these young men are suspects & we've yet to see the detailed evidence from the police ..), but, having worked with refugee students from Somalia, I do have some insight into the pressures that these young men live with, in adjusting to life here. Some, as young children, have survived years of war & have experienced terrible, brutalizing experiences. Others have spent most of their lives in refugee camps. Some have been child soldiers. Some are orphans without any family left, or are being looked after by relatives, aunts & uncles, distant relatives. Many have had little or no formal education & face the prospect of ongoing unemployment. And, it seems, the welfare of these young men is left very much to their own ethnic communities. Leading, at times, to conflict between the expectation of "the elders" & the experiences & aspirations of the young.

In no way am I excusing the the activities these suspects have been accused of. I simply pointing out some possible contributing factors to their alleged activities. As one of the contributors to the article below suggested, you can't just take people out of years of living hell, plant them in the suburbs, tell them to be on their way, then cross your fingers & hope for the best. A lot more serious work needs to be put into assisting them to recover from their past experiences & adjust to the realities of their new life here. Often their expectations are way out of wack with what they can actually achieve here.


Quote:
Allied ourselves with the American infidel devils, I suppose?


Yes, I'm certain this a motivating factor for the most politically extreme & disaffected. Australia's involvement as a US ally in Iraq & Afghanistan. But then, many "ordinary", non-violent Australian Muslims are perplexed & disappointed by Australia's involvement in these conflicts.

Scarred, angry men seduced by recruiters
Ian Munro
August 5, 2009/the AGE



Quote:
Neil Fergus, the head of security for the Sydney Olympics, said if the suspects’ alleged links to the Somali group al-Shabab were correct, ‘‘one of the key questions would be if there was any suggestion of direction coming from the leadership in Somalia, or indeed whether they were self-motivated to plan this type of operation’’.

But Australian National University terrorism expert Clive Williams said it was likely the group decided on a local attack because of the difficulty of joining al-Shabab in Somalia.

‘‘Al-Qaeda has been encouraging people to travel to Somalia to join al-Shabab. The next best thing is to do something at home,’’ he said.

Professor Barton said al-Shabab reached out to Somali communities worldwide, seeking young men vulnerable to recruitment to its cause.

‘‘If it’s like the American case, we are dealing with people who have sometimes been orphaned or … have experienced violence first hand and are often deeply scarred and angry,’’ he said.

‘‘They have real issues that need help. Just parking them out in the suburbs and saying, ‘You have a new start, make the best of it,’ that’s not enough. They have come from the most violent scenarios we can imagine. They need strong friendships so that when someone turns up with a seductive message, it doesn’t have such appeal.’’

He said it appeared recruiters were moving into the communities to identify those vulnerable to appeals on religious or nationalist grounds.


Pete Lentini, the deputy director of Monash University’s Global Terrorism Research Centre, said that unlike in Britain and Europe, those known to be involved in militant Islamism in Australia were not tertiary educated.

‘‘We have to ask what’s going on here, but also look at it positively,’’ Dr Lentini said. ‘‘What are we doing right that the best and brightest aren’t going down the path of violence?’’...

msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 06:11 pm
@msolga,
Whoops. Here's the link to that article from the AGE:

http://www.theage.com.au/national/scarred-angry-men-seduced-by-recruiters-20090804-e8m7.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 06:43 pm
Headline of the day:

I’m Grech’s victim, says Turnbull:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/ix2019m-grechx2019s-victim-says-turnbull-20090804-e8lp.html?page=-1

Laughing

Come on, Deb!

This calls for another poem, surely? Wink
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 07:14 pm
@msolga,
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6792548,00.jpg
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