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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 02:55 am
@hingehead,
Got the right thread this time!:

dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 04:56 am
@msolga,
So...this email is DEFINITELY a forgery?


But I heard a whisper of news that the damn man (forget his name) got favours out of Swan anyway?


The radio in my room of exile won't work! It is as though I am on e desert island!



msolga
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 06:06 am
@msolga,
Let's get the image right this time! (Not having a good run tonight, am I?):

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/23/230609_cartoon_moir_gallery__597x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 08:32 am
@msolga,
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/22/2306_jh_cartoon_gallery__545x400,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 08:44 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
So...this email is DEFINITELY a forgery?


Turnbull linked to ute 'leaker'
Michelle Grattan
June 24, 2009/the AGE


http://images.theage.com.au/2009/06/23/600668/tandberg-420x0.jpg
Illustration: Tandberg.

MALCOLM Turnbull is facing new questions over his role in the fake email affair after admitting he has spoken in recent months to Treasury official Godwin Grech, the man at the centre of the fiasco.

Mr Turnbull's admission came as it emerged Mr Grech is an established source of leaks to the Opposition " a fact that has increased the shock among Opposition figures that his latest information turned out to be fabricated.

Quote:

Last night Mr Turnbull refused to comment on reports that Mr Grech had supplied information to the Coalition. "The last thing I would do is ever discuss … anybody that may provide us with information."

Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, for whom Mr Grech worked briefly in the Howard government, earlier indicated he had confirmed to Mr Turnbull that Mr Grech was credible.

As the Government yesterday turned up the pressure on him over his contacts with Mr Grech, Mr Turnbull was also forced to defend his aggressive leadership style against criticism in his own ranks that he over-reached in calling for Mr Rudd's resignation " a call that prompted a backlash when the email was exposed as fabricated. ...<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/national/turnbull-linked-to-ute-leaker-20090623-cve0.html?page=-1
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 08:47 am
Ah Malcolm, Malcolm .... ya silly sausage!
How embarrassing! Embarrassed
dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 11:04 am
@msolga,
Feh.

Opposition leader here did similar...and got away with it.

I hope Turnbull doesn't.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 03:50 pm
@msolga,
A-ha!! Hockey told Turnbull Grech was credible! I smell leadership spill from the Hockey camp.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 03:54 pm
@dlowan,
I saw Costello say that his greatest achievement was the GST. Wow, what a brilliant career. I change the tax system so it reflected what about 80% of developed nations have - talk about going out on a limb.

Of course it became a cash cow and allowed them to throw money at the states - which hasn't appeared to improve the services the states offer (I'm thinking health in QLD and almost everything in NSW).

He was a perfect match for Howard, a man of small ideas.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 08:00 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
A-ha!! Hockey told Turnbull Grech was credible! I smell leadership spill from the Hockey camp.


You really think so, hinge?

It sounds like Joe had been "in touch" with Godwin (what a great name! Very Happy ) quite recently, too! Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 08:02 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
I saw Costello say that his greatest achievement was the GST.


And I'm still hopping mad about it!!!! Evil or Very Mad

I saw Costello's memoir for sale at the shopping centre in Brunswick this afternoon ... at $5 a copy!
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 08:32 am
Laughing Laughing Ah, ya gotta laugh!:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/24/mb_cartoon_2506_gallery__540x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 08:34 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/06/25/250609_moir_cartoon_gallery__600x379,0.jpg
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 05:15 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
I saw Costello's memoir for sale at the shopping centre in Brunswick this afternoon ... at $5 a copy!


Cheaper than toilet paper.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 06:17 pm
@hingehead,
... & not half as useful, or interesting!
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 06:22 pm
@msolga,
... so, if anyone wants me to pick them up a copy, I'll take orders now! But ya better be quick! This offer is valid only while stocks last!
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 06:33 pm
But moving on from the ridiculous ....

This is serious. And important.

Go Petro.:


'Dark chapter': Georgiou to cross floor on asylum bill
By Sabra Lane for PM
PM | abc.net.au/pm

Posted Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:04pm AEST
Updated Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:54pm AEST


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200906/r389780_1821413.jpg
Mr Georgiou has threatened to cross the floor and vote against the bill. (AAP Image: Alan Porritt)

Some Opposition MPs are planning to vote with the Government on a bill to scrap the law that charges asylum seekers for the cost of their detention.

The Opposition party room decided to block the bill but some MPs, including Liberal backbencher Petro Georgiou, will vote for it.




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Mr Georgiou is well-known for quietly campaigning behind the scenes against successive government policies on asylum seekers.

In an emotional speech, Mr Georgiou has described the Howard government's immigration detention policies as "cruel and contrary to Australia's best values".

"It's a bill that takes another step towards closing a dark chapter in our history," he said.

Mr Georgiou is retiring at the next election but today he gave an impassioned speech to Parliament indicating he will cross the floor and vote with the Government.

"Do we charge drug dealers? Serial paedophiles? Sadistic murderers? Multiple rapists the cost of their detention?" he asked.

"The charging of people who arrive on our shores seeking protection, the cost of their detention is part of the way in which we have demonised them and presented them as being worse than criminals."

Mr Georgiou pointed out the policies of automatic detention of women and children and billing people for the cost of their detention started under a Labor government.

Fighting back tears

But he said the Howard government toughened the measures with the Pacific Solution and temporary protection visas.

And he denounced all of it.


Struggling to hold back tears, Mr Georgiou lamented that MPs endorsed the policies with no resistance.

"It cannot and it should not be denied that we did go along, we all did," he said.

"The votes from the Parliament shows. Going along had its consequences.

"Vulnerable men, women and children were harmed by the legislation we voted for and by the practices and abuses they've spawned."

The quietly spoken MP says detention bills often become another form of torture.

"This dark chapter is about the incarceration of men, women and children behind razor wire in isolated locations," Mr Georgiou said.

"It is about the imprisonment of innocent people for periods longer than criminals convicted of serious felonies.

"It is about the demonisation of people fleeing persecution. It is about the denial of psychiatric attention to sick people to whom the Government owed a duty of care.

"No advanced society should allow on its statutes a law that so degrades and humiliates fellow human beings who are legitimately calling on our protection.


"We have an obligation to our own and to future generations to support this bill. I will support the bill and I commend it to the House."

Detention costs will continue for those found guilty of people smuggling and illegal fishing.

From 2006 to 2008, detainees were billed $54 million but the Commonwealth recovered less than $2 million.

The Opposition's immigration spokeswoman, Sharman Stone, says instead of abolishing debt collection the Government should find better ways of collecting the money.

"There is no doubt that announcing to the region that this Rudd Labor regime is abolishing the 17-year-old policy of recovering detention debt, there's no doubt that would bring great joy to the people smugglers who are once again very active in our waters," she said.

"Abolishing the detention debt principle is going to remove one more deterrent in the way of people smugglers, arguing now that Australia has a wide open back door."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/24/2607681.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 06:43 pm
... & I fervently hope that all other decent Liberals follow his example. (There are a few! Wink ) A pox on the pathetic opportunists in the Liberal party for opposing this bill! As if, fining people for their period of detention in those hell-holes is going to deter anyone desperate for asylum! good grief.
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 08:33 pm
@msolga,
On ya and libs who follow their consciences across the floor.

I thought I heard today on the radio that a lot of the impetus for the bill had COME from decent libs?

When's it happening?
Deckland
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 12:54 am
What about Hewson on Costello ...

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"You'd be lost without Treasury. You may have delivered 11 budgets but ask yourself honestly how many of them were actually yours, rather than Treasury's.

"I am told Treasury is now drawing a sharp contrast between your little interest and involvement and that of Wayne Swan."

Full story here :---
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/22/2497902.htm
 

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